Preaching Atheism

[timtofly]

What is the logic behind stating that early Genesis is allegorical or symbolic?

 

[Ailedhoo]

Both the Qu'ran and the Bible worship the same God.

The Bible also was not exactly "one book" but rather works set over periods of time. The Old Testimate not even begin as a book but as a verbal stories.

O and I read your "we all deserve damnation" as "everyone is a bastard!" Not exactly the most rational of approuches...

Back on topic...

On links with atheism can be preachy as any other notion of ideas.

It can have its healing.

It can have its destruction.

It is taken by people of good.

It is taken by people of bad.

It is taken by people in between.

This can be used for other beleive systems, although stating athiesm as a religion would be inaccurate. Jainism is a religion that is of anti-materialist atheism. Atheism as a whole is a concept like Theism.

 

[MobBoss]

And this is why I will never vote for an atheist.

 

[JollyRoger]

Exactly.

 

[Crezth]

And this is why I will never vote for an atheist.

You've never voted?

 

[Ailedhoo]

And this is why I will never vote for an atheist.

Because all athiests are Richard Dawkin.

 

[Borachio]

Here's the thing about the Bible, its not really<snip>

Secondly, the way the Old Testament foreshadows the New, and prophecies the Messiah before he ever lived is additional proof that the whole thing is true.

Here's a thing about the NT. Those who wrote it were familiar with the prophecies in the OT. You do the maths.

To use "Compassion" and "Empathy" to defend a God you have absolutely no evidence for is a poor argument.

There is overwhelmingly more evidence for a compassionate, empathetic God, of the same kind of evidence that you produce for your murderous vengeful one.

I expect, though, that you might ask what this evidence is. Well, it consists, amongst other things, of written texts both predating the OT and reaching to the present day. For confirmation (or otherwise, for nothing is certain) of the truth of these matters, you would have to examine these texts and evaluate them against what you feel yourself (putting aside your preconceptions). This is a very hard task. I fully expect you to refuse to do so.

I, too, am extremely idle.

And, in any case, some maintain that it is all absolute nonsense from beginning to end. This too is a point of view that must be considered by any sincere seeker for truth.

You might, if you had a genuine interest in truth per se, look into other books on other subjects a little bit more. And also look at the world around you without those evangelical goggles of yours.

We have to appeal to him, for we are but poor, wretched creatures who deserve his damnation, but by the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ, we can be saved.

This, I have heard referred to as a grovel complex. Do you enjoy it? Does it enrich your life? Is it pleasing to your God, do you think?

Not by universalism, which is an idol leading to damnation.

So be it. If it be so.

Do you know what an idol is? Who told you this is an idol? Had you ever heard of Universalism before today?

I ask you again, do you have any conception of what heaven and hell really are?

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

What is the logic behind stating that early Genesis is allegorical or symbolic?

It is the same like with all the other allegories and symbols. To convey some truth that would be very difficult to convey otherwise.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

To use "Compassion" and "Empathy" to defend a God you have absolutely no evidence for is a poor argument. Firstly, you assume God even has to appeal to our consciences. He does not. We have to appeal to him, for we are but poor, wretched creatures who deserve his damnation,

if we are poor, wretched and so on like you say then its Gods problem - he is the poor wretched creator.

But I think God thinks higher of man then that; he probably sees us as another deities - as Gods in making.

but by the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ, we can be saved. Not by universalism, which is an idol leading to damnation.

where do you think Jesus grace and mercy come from? It comes from universal source - God. There is absolutely no reason to think that God will ignore someone who sincerely invokes him no matter what his religion or creed etc.
Universalism merely states that God is universal - no brainer really

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And this is why I will never vote for an atheist.

Then this

must be why you'd never vote for a theist?

 

[Traitorfish]

...So God is an atheist?

 

[Borachio]

That's a good question. Does God have a point of view on his own existence?

Didn't you earlier say you weren't sure of your own existence?

Are. you. God?

 

[Lillefix]

If Jesus came to your house one day, and he asked you if you wanted him(Jesus) to do something for you. Would you ask him to explain God and religion to you, or would you ask him to nicen(e) up your kitchen?

edit: I see now I confused this thread with the Ask an atheist thread. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

...So God is an atheist?

Are. you. God?

This must be it.

God is the supreme Jesuit Father. He is ever doing evil that good may come out of it; ever misleads for a greater leading; ever opresses our will that it may arrive at last at an infinite freedom.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

If Jesus came to your house one day, and he asked you if you wanted him(Jesus) to do something for you. Would you ask him to explain God and religion to you, or would you ask him to nicen(e) up your kitchen?

Why not ask him to explain God to you while he nicens up the kitchen? You got to use your opportunity, you know, its not like Jesus comes that often...

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I have found another remarkable quote on atheism:

Atheism is the shadow or dark side of the highest perception of God. Every formula we frame about God, thought always true as a symbol, becomes false when we accept it as sufficient formula. The Atheist and Agnostic come to remind us of our error.

 

[MobBoss]

You've never voted?

No, I vote every election.

 

[Borachio]

Atheism is the shadow or dark side of the highest perception of God. Every formula we frame about God, thought always true as a symbol, becomes false when we accept it as sufficient formula. The Atheist and Agnostic come to remind us of our error.

Looks like an interesting quote. Aurobindo?

Is it a warning against having fixed ideas? Which someone on the radio the other day was telling me is what idolatry really is.


edit:Jainism is tough.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Looks like an interesting quote. Aurobindo?

Is it a warning against having fixed ideas? Which someone on the radio the other day was telling me is what idolatry really is.


edit:Jainism is tough.

Yes to all.

 

[Mango Elephant]

And this is why I will never vote for an atheist.

Because of what someone posted on the internet?