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For the archon, that term limit is semi-inconvenient for getting anything done ever. Do they have some mechanism for proroguing the term limits in the event of emergency or an extended campaign?
There aren't any legal avenues to Roman Republican-style dictatorship, no. There have been temporary dictators before, though; they were all, save one, ousted violently within three years.
Thlayli said:
Also, let me guess, previous archons become disgruntled strategoi with a bone to pick with whoever replaced them, resulting in internal instability and constant jockeying for supremacy within the army.
You got it, for the most part. Sometimes they hire themselves out as mercenary leaders, sometimes they end up being long-standing bouleutai.
Thlayli said:
The navy I'm assuming is much more efficient, though surprised I don't have a Nesiarchy; it's thoroughly under the thumb of the dominant mercantile clique then?
It sure is!
Thlayli said:
(Btw, that term is not used in English. At all. As in, google results for it turn up this thread. It's basically a naval command structure though?)
Yeah. Nesiarchos in OTL was only the term for the leader of the Nesiote League of Antigonos I and Demetrios I, and a derogatory insult for Demetrios I after the Battle of Ipsos, when his empire consisted of naught but Cilicia, some Asiatic coastal cities, the League, and Athens. In TTL Antiochos III formed a successor to the Nesiote League based around the oligarchy he installed at Rhodes after the war with the Romans. The Nesiote League eventually was absorbed into the Seleukid naval hierarchy as the main suppliers of military vessels in the Mediterranean, and the nesiarchos was the supreme naval commander for the Seleukid Empire. The term eventually survived with the altered meaning in the Seleukid successor states as the head of the naval bureaucracy.
 
From the root word sophia, so presumably the worship of a disembodied Holy Wisdom. I'm curious to know whether it's a formalized religion or more of a vague belief system with the occasional dedicated practicioner, a la Taoism/Confucianism.
 
Dachs said:
Not the same Sophists. It's the worship of the Holy Wisdom, or Hagia Sophia, a cult that originated with the worship of Athene by Greek polytheists back in the day. Starting with the vague characterizations of some fourth-century BC philosophers and eventually gaining steam in the first century AD, the cult ended up being the most enduring vestige of the Greek religion. It's monotheistic, and the prominent aspects of the worship of Sophia/Athene before the religion became the most revered ones in the new faith.

It kind of took the role of Christianity in this world, chiefly because of interaction with Judaism. Originally the proto-Sophist Athene cult was tied strongly to the Perseid Empire and the temporal control it had over most of the Mediterranean. So there was a lot of dialogue between the proto-Sophists and the Jews, who were a dime a dozen in the Perseid heartland at that time. Sophism is in a lot of ways like a weird mixture of Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, and of course Greek polytheism. You could kinda compare it to Agade Dag from AFSNES too. I didn't really develop this very fully (and am very interested in player initiative), but there's a revealed text and a religious hierarchy connected with the Perseid Empire and their formerly close buddies the Baktrians. Holy city is, shockingly, Athens. When the Perseids lost Athens a few centuries back, actually, they lost control of a lot of the clergy that remained outside their territory, and the Perseid basileus' claim to be the head of the Sophist religion rang hollow. That's when the missionary impulse started (same thing with the Roman Empire and Christianity - "universal empire" became "universal empire of the faithful"), which added onto the already wide spread of the faith. No major lasting schisms yet, though I'm sure somebody'll think of something.

The OTL foundation for this is the concept of the Holy Wisdom that the Christians kind of pinched from some Greek philosophers (insofar as you can really separate the two groups in the first few centuries of Christianity), which in fact did develop out of Athene. It was subsumed into the Christian faith rather early. Now it's the other way around? I kind of had to have some replacement for Christianity since the course of Hebrew history got massively altered with no Maccabees.

So sayeth the great Dachs
 
Hwaet,

Chiefly: Sogdiane or Kaspeireia
But maybe also: Mazsakata or Nerwia

Spoiler lesser sins :

Qualifications: A sympathy with peripheral provinces mocked from afar by the mirage of glory; a genial camaraderie with those who prefer to grapple with ethics informally...at the bottom of a flagon; an admiration for good hearted mercenaries whose conception of subtle political maneuvering is punching an adversary when he is distracted trying to count past twenty; a certain insight into the pride of catastrophic failure; steady hands, even under siege (except at a holocards table).

Anti-qualifications: Grinds teeth when adjacent to a Kal'thzar-designed religion; no patience for the tittering machinations of a pampered palace-class; may charge without orders.

Motives: To test the mettle of domestic characters with the perils of hardship and generally provide fodder for contemporary chronicles whose veracity will be firmly doubted by stuffy future historians. Also: an incentive to conduct obscure research.

Ambitions: Wrestle gallantly with a hard-hearted fate. Just when hard-hearted fate thinks it's beaten us, it has an asthma attack and afterwards we unconvincingly pretend we knew all along we were going to get out of that one alive.

 
Here are the requests by nation (updated). Each first, second or thrid choice is in [ ]. Two names in a [ ] means two people choose that nation for the same choice. ie NK and supermath both choose Cambrian empire as their first choice, but no one else even selected it. Please let me know if you see an error.

Cambrian Confederacy: [Nuclear Kid Supermath] [none] [ none]
Kingdom of Rygia: [Perfectionist] [none] [yui108 Nuclear Kid]
Kingdom of Nerwia: [none] [Perfectionist] [none]
Kingdom of Walhia: [none] [Supermath Bill3000] [none]
Iberian Empire: [Shadowbound] [germanicus12] [none]
Aorsi Horde: [none] [Reno] [Flavius Aetius]
Republic of Panormos: [Thlayli] [TheWesley] [none]

Kingdom of Chaonia: [none] [Cynovolans] [conehead234]
Ruxsalannoi Horde: [flyingchicken] [none] [Supermath]
Kingdom of Makedonia: [none] [flyingchicken] [germanicus12 Shadowbound]
Kingdom of Mysia: [Flavius Aetius Justo] [ none] [none]
Kingdom of Kimmerian Bosporos: [germanicus12] [none] [ none]
Kingdom of Pisidia: [none] [Justo] [none]
Perseid Empire: [Bill3000] [Azale] [none]
Kingdom of Aigyptos: [Kentharu] [Thlayli Kal'thzar] [Birdjaguar]

Aksumite Empire: [none] [Shadowbound] [Kentharu]
Armenian Empire: [none] [Cynovolans] [none]
Seleukid Empire: [Cynovolans Kal'thzar] [none] [Espoir]
Mazsakata Horde: [none] [Espoir] [foolish icarus]
Kingdom of Areia: [Karalysia Espoir] [none] [none]
Kingdom of Sogdiane: [foolish icarus] [ none] [none]
Kingdom of Baktria: [Yui108] [Flavius Aetius] [none]

Kingdom of Kaspeireia: [none] [foolish icarus] [ none]
League of Patalene: [none] [none] [Azale Kraznaya]
Pala Empire: [conehead234] [Nuclear Kid] [none]
Chola Empire: [Anonymoose] [conehead234] [none]
Tantan Qaganate: [none] [Kentharu] [Kal'tzhar]
Houqin Dynasty: [none] [ none] [none]

Daliang Dynasty: [Abaddon TheWesley] [none] [none]
Dayang Dynasty: [Azale] [yui108] [none]
Wu Dynasty: [Kraznaya] [Birdjaguar] [none]
Nanyue Dynasty: [Alex944 ] [Kraznaya] [none]
Yamato Empire: [Birdjaguar Reno] [none] [none]


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Hwaet,

Anti-qualifications: Grinds teeth when adjacent to a Kal'thzar-designed religion; no patience for the tittering machinations of a pampered palace-class; may charge without orders.

Your not a theology or related student are you?
 
Dachs:

Is Aeria a dynastic name or does it have some other meaning? Is it related to Aryan by any chance? Is the title Arya Mehra used? (The Aryan Sun)

What's going on with the Arabs right now? Particularly the Arabs in the Persian Gulf, whats the interaction?

What's the court culture of Aeria? Is it what one might consider stereotypically "Orinetal" (snivileing courtiers kowtowing, many slaves, nubile women in the harem, posh elaborate nonsense, hookah etc...) or is the court more of what one might consider "Western"
 
Actually, Omega, there are plenty of states of great importance that I'd really prefer not to have to leave open while you take over a dying civilization that's about to fragment into several other polities and which can only really interact with maybe two other countries, one of which is also permanently NPCed! You may blame Kal'thzar and Kraznaya for providing bad examples to which I point as indicative of the weird stuff that happens when mods let people play out-of-the-way countries and/or extremely weak polities that by rights wouldn't have done anything remotely like what they would've done under their control. Now, the choice is essentially between me allowing you to play as the king of Funan and then placing more or less outrageously unfair restrictions on what you can actually do to accurately simulate the powerlessness the kings of Funan have to deal with right now, meaning that even if you were playing Funan it probably wouldn't be fun, exciting, or productive, or I can just declare it to be permanently NPCed and not do the work of fully developing realistic stats for it.

I mean, I understand where you're coming from and what you're interested in, but it'd screw up the dynamic of the NES to have somebody in charge of Funan right now. I'm sorry, but I'd rather not do that.
Dachs, can we have some information on that NPC Korean polity?
Such as?
Is Aeria a dynastic name or does it have some other meaning?
Some other meaning. In TTL the Areian satrap was given larger powers over eastern Iran by the Seleukid kings, hence why it is governed from Parthyaia.
Karalysia said:
Is it related to Aryan by any chance?
If there were English-speakers in this world, and there aren't, they would probably call the inhabitants of Areia "Aryans" or "Aryan Greeks".
Karalysia said:
Is the title Arya Mehra used? (The Aryan Sun)
Not really. Maybe by classicizing authors.
Karalysia said:
What's going on with the Arabs right now? Particularly the Arabs in the Persian Gulf, whats the interaction?
What used to be the Seleukid satrapy of Gerrhaia is now mostly a collection of trading city-states and/or inhabited by unaligned nomadic pastoralists. There are two semiindependent Greek poleis there as well, Herakleia-Tyleia (on Bahrain) and Nikaia (northern UAE).
Karalysia said:
What's the court culture of Aeria? Is it what one might consider stereotypically "Orinetal" (snivileing courtiers kowtowing, many slaves, nubile women in the harem, posh elaborate nonsense, hookah etc...) or is the court more of what one might consider "Western"
That's the thing, isn't it? In Oriental Greek tradition things weren't often so clear-cut. You can do what you want with that for the most part, but make sure that it something of a "happy medium" between the two extremes of the stereotypical and semi-inaccurate "Oriental" court culture you mentioned and the old ideals of Mak kingship. For instance, the hetairoi still exist.
Oy, it's Tuesday. Tell us who gets what already :p
All right, chief, here you go:

Spoiler Announcements, announcements, announcements! A terrible death to die, a terrible death to die, a terrible death to be bored to death, a terrible death to die! :
Ystrad Clud: permanently NPCed
Cambria: Supermath
Rygia: Perfectionist
Nerwia:
Walhia:
Iberia: Shadowbound
Windelicia: permanently NPCed
Aorsi: Reno
Panormos: Thlayli
Chaonia: Cynovolans
Ruxsalannoi: flyingchicken
Makedonia:
Thraikia: permanently NPCed
Mysia: Flavius Aetius
Kimmerian Bosporos: germanicus12
Pontos: permanently NPCed
Pisidia: Justo
Perseids: Bill3000
Aigyptos: Kentharu
Alodia: permanently NPCed
Aksum:
Antes: permanently NPCed
Armenia:
Seleukids: Kal'thzar
Mazsakata: Espoir
Areia: silKaralysia
Sogdiane: foolish icarus
Baktria: Yui108
Kaspeireia:
Patalene:
Pala: conehead234
Gangas: permanently NPCed
Kalinga: permanently NPCed
Chola: Anonymoose
Anuradhapura: permanently NPCed
Tantan:
Xianbei: permanently NPC
Houqin:
Liang: Abaddon
Yang: Azale
Wu: Kraznaya
Nanyue: alex994
Champa: permanently NPCed
Funan: permanently NPCed
Jin-guk: permanently NPCed
Yamato: Birdjaguar

There are still several NPCs, some of them quite major powers! You don't have to apply for them anymore, just say "yo I am interested in these [this]" when the For-Real Thread starts. Thanks to all for showing interest! :) The For-Real Thread will be up within 18 hours of this post, because I have rescheduled night classes.

Mmmm, yeeaahhhh, Birdjaguar, if you could close this thread from here on out, that'd be greeaaat, mkay? Thaaaaanks.

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Can I be Makedonia?

I seem to be good at coalition building, which looks to be a good skill to have as Makedonia.

I've played in roughly 6 NES'es with moderate success in almost all of them.

Sorry for being late to the party.
 
That's the thing, isn't it? In Oriental Greek tradition things weren't often so clear-cut. You can do what you want with that for the most part, but make sure that it something of a "happy medium" between the two extremes of the stereotypical and semi-inaccurate "Oriental" court culture you mentioned and the old ideals of Mak kingship. For instance, the hetairoi still exist.

Yes hence the quotes around it. Does pedastry still exist acceptably? Homosexuality? Does the Greek royalty intermarry with the Medians or do they end up inbreeding like the Ptolemy's?

Slavery exists in its Greco-Roman form yes?

If my King ends up being an opium smoking womanizing pederast with a god complex would that be a happy medium?
 
Ok, time to put on my mad China face....>: /
 
But outrageously unfair restrictions on what you can actually do to accurately simulate the powerlessness the kings of Funan have to deal with right now actually sounds challenging in a fun way!

Eh, I guess I'll lurk. Perhaps when a nation I want to be (Whether through discovery or rebellion) shows up, I'll join.
 
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