Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by Perfectionist, Feb 13, 2011.
I have been commanded by #nes to take Poland, so I will.
Fantastic, glad to have you both
I will get to faction descriptions for everyone, but since I have several dozen to do it might take a couple of days. In the meantime
Viceroy of the Left: The official in charge of the Oirats, and watching the western frontier. Very Buddhist, very supportive of the current programme in China, opposes any sort of agreement with the Chinese. Tends to handle most of the Khaganate's relations with the Horde; would like to eventually bring Buddhism to the Horde, but China comes first.
Viceroy of the Right: The commander in charge of the tribes of the eastern frontier. Less influential than the Viceroy of the Left and not happy about it. Supports bringing the Jurchen back into the fold, provided that they'd become his responsibility. Less thoroughly Buddhist than the Viceroy of the Left, and with more pagans kicking around.
Kurultai: The assembly of the tribal chiefs and clan leaders of the steppe. Thoroughly Buddhist and supportive of the current programme in China; oppose anything that smacks of Sinicization.
Chinese bureaucracy: The bureaucracy that runs the Chinese possessions. Mostly native Chinese, obviously. In most areas is not the standard Confucian scholar-gentry bureaucracy; that system has been destroyed in most places north of the Yangtze, and replaced with a broadly similar system based instead on Yenogretic values. Draws of necessity from merchants and artisans, and is undermanned and less efficient than its predecessor, though improving all the time.
Chinese gentry: The gentry in the Chinese territories. Mostly cut out of administration now, and very unhappy about it, but a lot of the most vocal have been killed off in various rebellions and purges, so the ones who are left tend to keep quiet most of the time. Very anti-Yenogretic, and anti-Mongol in general; tend to oppose the Khagan's initiatives on general principle.
Boyar council: The prince's advisory council, comprised of the seven or so most senior nobility. Constitutionally extremely important; it is not a rubber stamp body, and trying to ignore the boyars on important issues would be highly irregular. The present body is pro-Tver, but somewhat suspicious of Vasili's motives.
Orthodox Church: The Novgorodian hierarchy in the principality. Broadly speaking is in favor of rapprochement with Nizhny, but royal patronage has gone a long way to bringing them onside. More anti-Veliky than most, thanks to the Archbishop attempting to interfere with Yaroslavl's territory.
Royal Court: The servicemen who hang around the prince's person. Generally pretty much support any royal initiatives that don't directly attack their privileges.
Namestniki: The urban governors, supported by kormlenie. Broadly speaking responsible for civilian administration. Heavily influenced by Tver; are the strongest supporters of closer alliance with Vasili. Oppose any detente with Nizhny on general principle.
Volosteli: The rural governors, supported by kormlenie. Responsible for organizing levies for the military, and broadly speaking in charge of military administration. Feel that the principality is too close to Tver, would like to chart a more independent course.
Natives: The Chuds and Balts who inhabit the countryside. Don't like being forced to offer military service, don't appreciate efforts to make them give up their pseudo-pagan customs. Generally oppose aggression and would like more of a role in Order governance, though they know that's a long shot.
Merchantry: The merchants, often Ost Danes and mostly concentrated around Lyndanisse and Riga. Don't like the League, and the Rigans in particular have fairly intense trade routes with the Lithuanians and Polotsk that they don't want jeopardized.
Mark Captains: The commanders of the castles and military districts on the frontier, with the most influential being those on the Novgorod frontier. They're primarily military commanders, and are the most senior members of what you might call the 'active-duty' Order, though there's really no such clear division. Support taking the offensive against Novgorod or Lithuania or both, tend to be fairly pro-Danish.
Home Captains: The commanders of the castles and districts of the interior. Tend to be administrators and organizers more than soldiers, since their districts provide most of the food and equipment for the Order. Have a bit of a rivalry with the Mark Captains, who are traditionally more prestigious. Tend to oppose close alliance with the Danes and major expansionist campaigns, since that would give more influence to the Mark Captains.
Mission Captains: The commanders of the wing of the Order responsible for ministering to the natives; basically they're the bishops. Are responsible for converting pagans, running non-Order churches, and all the rest of the stuff that is technically the Order's primary mission. By far the least prestigious and numerous wing of the Order, and tends to be either a punishment posting or a quiet place to put the rejects where they can contribute without damaging anything. Would appreciate having the Grand Abbot listen to them for once, and obviously support an increased focus on ministering to the natives.
Dhahabi clergy: The Dhahabi ulema, led by their Imam. Strongest in the northwest, weakest in the far east. Violently opposed to any sort of concessions to liberalism or Turkism. Support pretty much any war to cleanse the kafirs.
Tabaristan: The home provinces, around the southern shores of the Caspian. The first conquests of the Ardabilid emirate, and still probably the most loyal and valued by the state. Natives tend to occupy a large proportion of the state's high offices, and they'd like to keep it that way. Support the state fairly unconditionally, and dislike the easterners pushing for a change of focus away from the Turks.
Merchantry: The merchants, most numerous around the Persian Gulf. Dislike that Dhahabi regulations and Ardabilid-sponsored pirates have driven away many of their trading partners, and push for both policies to change. Tend to be slightly more liberal than most, and consequently are excluded from most policymaking.
Fars: The southwestern provinces. Dislike Tabaristan's predominance in internal affairs, feel that their defense against the Turk deserves more attention than it's getting. Aren't, generally speaking, maniacally anti-Chobanid, but would very much like to retake Khuzistan before reaching any sort of permanent settlement.
Khorasan: The far eastern provinces. Somewhat less Dhahabi than the western regions. Feel neglected by the focus on the Chobanids, would prefer a stronger line against the Horde. Somewhat pro-Delhi, or at least anti-war-with-Delhi, thanks to Delhi's diplomatic efforts.
Ghulams: The professional slave soldiers that form the Shah's guard and the core of the army. Mostly Central Asians bought young, or Georgians captured in raids. Presently somewhat upset by the Shah's perceived kowtowing to the Dhahabi ulema; they're Dhahabi, of course, but they feel that the recent wars against the Chobanids would have gone a lot better if they'd had more say and the clerics less. Would like more influence over military policy, and more ghulams and less regional levies. Generally reliable backers of the Shah in other internal disputes.
Oh, and Swabia now I guess.
I highly suggest that people come on #nes in the future for diplo.
Requesting faction summaries for Haishu, Nanhai, Guangzhou, Jurchen, Hubaekjae, and Yamato.
Factions for England, Bohemia, Denmark, Swabia, Lotharingia, Veliky Novgorod and Frisia
Brittany: The Kingdom of Brittany, the king of which is the Emperor. Has a separate treasury and administration, which is run by an imperial castellan, who usually comes from one of the great Breton families. Has a fairly good deal with England, in terms of the balance of obligations, and would like to keep it that way. Is mostly against continental adventurism, since they'd probably bear a lot of the burden
Monastic church: The church organization, headed by the Archabbot of Ramsey. Traditionally strong backers of the English monarchy; currently in the middle of a debate on whether the Imperial title ought to confer oecumenical authority or not. Somewhat outvoted in the Witan at the moment.
Burghers: The emerging urban middle class, strongest in southern England and on the Frankish coast. Tend to be in favour of expansive claims to imperial authority, and of an increased role for the Witan in policy making.
Insular gentry: The English gentry. Mostly marginalized since the settlement at the end of the civil war, and not happy about it. They don't like Frankish and burgher influence in the Witan, and tend to oppose continental adventures. Oppose broad imperial claims, generally tend to feel that the Emperor should be concerned chiefly with insular affairs.
Royal bureaucracy: Bureaucrats and administrators. Mostly monastic-educated burghers, with a disproportionate number of Bretons, and quite efficient in general. Support anything that expands their responsibilities; some would like to end Brittany's special status for that reason. Suspicious of the League in general, but particularly of Dublin, and support backing Frisia up to the hilt.
Germans: The German minority in the southwest. Tend to support focusing on the Swabians or Lusatians instead of the Poles, and support the inclusion of more non-nobles in the government
Gaborites: Members of the Gaborite religious sect, mostly concentrated, as you'd imagine, on the Hungarian border. Support the conversion of the state to the Gaborite movement, alliance with Hungary, and are very supportive of war with the Poles, them being noted Papists and all. Are not suppressed, at the moment, but aren't exactly included in administration either.
Catholic Church: The Roman Catholic organization. Tends to be somewhat pro-Poland, but keeps quiet for fear of annoying people too much. Extremely anti-Gaborite; wants the Gaborites suppressed and would prefer attacking Hungary to attacking Poland. Doesn't like Church hierarchs being excluded from the parliament.
Western nobility: The nobility in the west and north, roughly speaking, though it's nearly as much a political position as a geographical description. Are presently the dominant party in the Republic's politics, and are very anti-Polish. Generally feel that the job of revolt isn't finished until they capture Prague, and don't care what it takes to do that.
Eastern nobility The nobility in the east and south, though again it's as much a political party as anything. Somewhat pro-Gaborite, and much less fixated on Prague than their counterparts. Tend to support a permanent peace with Poland and stronger opposition to Swabia.
Nye mænd: New men; the new class of service nobility created by Hakon. Less dependent on the crown than they once were, but still mostly loyal. Still have a rivalry with the old men, but it's mostly social now, rather than political. In favor of the imperial revival in the Baltic, and would like to take a stronger line on Novgorod. Somewhat leery of the association with the League, though; would prefer to go it alone, but not if it means major cutbacks in the Baltic.
Gamle mænd: Old men; the pre-Hakon nobility, now mostly neutered. They don't have much land or influence left, and mostly cling to social status. Still don't like the ruling dynasty, and still don't like the dominance of the new men. Strongly anti-League, and more or less oppose the imperial revival in general, since it's completed their marginalization.
Vendland cities: The mostly Danish populations of the cities of Pomerania and Pomerelia. Don't like the League monopolizing commerce in the Baltic, and are afraid that the Poles will try to conquer them again if the Danes get bogged down elsewhere; for that reason they tend to oppose adventurism elsewhere in the Baltic.
Norge: The local elites in Norway. Tend not to care much about Baltic affairs, so long as they're not too heavily taxed to pay for them. Are somewhat worried that they'll be in the firing line if war with Sweden comes, and would feel better with a stronger commitment to their defense. They're a part of the four-way rivalry for influence in Lappland, and so don't like the Novgorodians or Frilanders much.
Monastic church: The usual church organization. Aren't too keen on the Order; feel that the Order's probably breaking their rule, and Denmark should try to pressure them into following it. Like royal patronage and having influence in government, don't like the Poles, in favour of supporting Zygimantas.
Royal bureaucracy: The bureaucrats and officials that run the administration. Mostly lesser nobles, but increasing numbers of monastic-educated bureaucrats. Don't like that the communes are outside their authority.
Begleiter:: Companions; originally the immediate military retinue of the Duke, now are a sort of cross between commissioned captains and military contractors; are kept on the payroll even when their companies aren't mobilized, with the understanding that they'll keep a scratch force ready to go, and can mobilize the rest of their company in a hurry. Tend to hang around court and more or less form the council of state for the army during peacetime. Pretty much support the duke unconditionally, so long as they get paid.
Alpine communes: The communal organizations in the Alpine valleys; mostly made deals to retain a lot of self-government in return for submission to the Duchy. Don't like the center meddling with their internal affairs, tend to be a lot more wary of Italy than anything else.
Alemannia Inferior: The original Swabian holdings in the west and south. Feel somewhat neglected by the recent focus on the east, and would prefer that the state go back to fighting the Lotharingians, as is right and proper. Don't like Bavarians taking their administrative jerbs, don't like being taxed for wars in the east.
Bavaria: The new holdings in the east; Bavaria itself was the most important acquisition in the last half century. Generally want more attention, more influence in the administration, and a hard line on Bohemia; don't really care about Lotharingia.
Alemannics: The noble faction that is currently dominant at court. Mostly counts and relatively lesser nobility from the south, centered around the Markgraf of Alemannia; owe their influence more to numbers and royal patronage than do the Rudolfings, and look more like a political party than a dynasty. Currently monopolize honors and offices. Somewhat paranoid about the English; support alliance with Gascony and detente with Swabia.
Rudolfings: A noble faction centered around Rudolf, the Duke of Franconia, with its core consisting of his family, who dominate the politics of the northeast. Currently on the outs at court, and not happy about it. Less worried about England, more in favor of attempting the reconquest of Swabia and actively attempting to influence the German and Slavic states.
Monastic church: The usual monastic organization, somewhat less powerful in the south and wealthiest around Aachen, due to royal patronage. Consequently pro-royal power in general, but somewhat opposed to the Alemannics, due to the latter's anti-English stance. Would prefer a hard line on the Provencals, particularly including the reclamation of Liyon.
Burgundy: A duchy under a cadet branch of the royal house. Was created from a reorganization of the southern territories after Liyon rebelled; has been generally successful at restoring order, and is now notably prosperous and well-managed. Would like to take Liyon back, and doesn't like the Alemannic dominance at court.
Royal court: The royal court and administrators of the royal demesne. Mostly support royal initiatives, but don't like the Rudolfings. Would like to reclaim Swabia, if possible.
League skrifstofa: The Longphort compound in Novgorod; the kontor, basically. Handles most of the fur trade out of the city, consequently has lots of significant ties with the big Russian merchants. Doesn't like anything that would mess with the free flow of trade, whether that be trade restrictions or war with Novgorod's neighbors.
Novgorod veche: The city council of Novgorod. Nominally open to the whole free population, but dominated by a few boyars and the big merchant families. Isn't keen on the League influence, but doesn't really see an alternative. Doesn't like Nizhny at all, supports trying to use Tver to keep Nizhny out of the empire. .
Archbishop of Novgorod: The head of the Orthodox church in Novgorod, responsible for the entire empire as well as the city and its surroundings. Is the second-ranking hierarch in the Novgorodian church, and carries on a rivalry with the Patriarch in Nizhny for the supremacy. Issues lots of loud condemnations of the monastics in general and the Order in particular, but on the ground relations tend to be fairly decent.
Pskov: The subordinate republic of Pskov. Used to be more powerful and independent, but has been mostly eaten by the Order and was forced to submit to Novgorod to save itself. Wants to go to war with the Order to get back its old lands, supports an alliance with Polostk to help achieve this end.
Baskaci: The officials who run the eastern empire, and more generally the class of men from which these officials are drawn. Part fur-trader, part military officer, part taxman, part colonial administrator; coureurs are perhaps a sort of decent analogy. Low-down baskaci are basically trappers; higherups can be responsible for huge sections of sparsely populated tundra. Tend not to be all that involved in the politics of the city, since they're mostly not there. Strongly opposed to any encroachment by Nizhny on the empire, since they'd be out of business.
Lotharingian nobility: The Lotharingian-ethnicity nobility, concentrated in the interior. Leftovers from the period of Lotharingian control, mostly. Don't like the increasing focus on Atlantic trade, don't support the English alliance, would prefer alliance with Lotharingia. Some would outright support a Lotharingian invasion, but not as many as the more hysterical Frisians would say.
Eastenfrysk: The easternmost Frisians, north of Saxony. Don't like that the capital is in Utert instead of a more central and traditional location, and feel somewhat shut out of power. Not so keen on the English alliance as the rest of the Frisians, since they aren't as afraid of the Lotharingians. Would prefer a closer relationship with the Danes.
Klaaifrysk: The western Frisians, who currently are the dominant force in the principality's politics. Are the most pro-English and the most frightened of the potential for Lotharingian aggression, since they have the most to lose. Their regions are in the middle of something of an economic boom, driven by trade with the north Atlantic, and they don't want anything to happen to jeopardize that.
Aldfrysk: The Frisians of the central territories. For a long time the center of Frisian culture, and of resistance to Lotharingian rule. Are less mercantile and more rural than the westerners, and are somewhat worried that the economic rise of the west will supplant them entirely; consequently tend to be a bit opposed to the presence of foreign merchants in the principality.
Oh I had so many and varied plans for Italy and encouraging the Christian world, but LittleBoots from what little I've seen of him is a great choice.
lezze... there's Frisia, Muwahhidun, Thuringia, Saxony, Lusatia, Polabia, Banu Ghaniya, Georgia, Friland, Duke's Lithuania, Polotsk, Kiev, Volynia, Tver, Yaroslav, Makuria, Ethiopia, Mecca, Zabid, Oman, Bengal, Orissa, Bijapur, Pandyan, Jaffna, Jurchen
These unstatted nations are also claimed:
Pretty sure I have stats?
Yeah, my mistake, it's just Hubaekje and Yamato.
Before you do more factions, can you do the stat for Hubakjae and Yamato?
1.) Second Pandyan Empire
-I'm Darkening. I'm like, uber-awesome, yeah? Successes would be Evyn (N3S III), Saruk/Macrabi (Daftnes 2), Armenia (DaNES II), Antimaqta and Prasanna (AFSNES I), etc. Drawback would be that I'm literally insane- examples being Segu (NES2 VIb) and Davar/Successor states (LINES 2).
I'm patient, Perfy will get Yamato stats and factions when he can.
I'll take Volynia... there aren't applications no more Darkening, Pandyan should be yours right away.
If so this leaves:
Frisia, Muwahhidun, Thuringia, Saxony, Lusatia, Polabia, Banu Ghaniya, Georgia, Friland, Duke's Lithuania, Polotsk, Kiev, Tver, Yaroslav, Makuria, Ethiopia, Mecca, Zabid, Oman, Bengal, Orissa, Bijapur, Jaffna, Jurchen
I'm kind of ill disposed towards Tver... it's a strong ally, and a useful lacky or general pressure but it seems to underperform on its own in both actual history and as an NPC in several EUIII games I've run in the background or played as a distant power.
Remaining available states have been colored in. Probably made at least one error.
Spoiler map :
Indeed you have.
Lies and slander.
Hey thanks, that's nice!
We've actually had some pretty big fights over Greenland in forum games elimination threads ^_^.
Also, Frisia and Hungary appear to be the exact same color. The potential for mischief there is slight, but knowing NK it still exists
Pskov: The subordinate republic of Pskov. Used to be more powerful and independent, but has been mostly eaten by the Order and was forced to submit to Novgorod to save itself. Wants to go to war with the Order to get back its old lands, supports an alliance with Polotsk to help achieve this end.
Actually, I think I'd like to switch to Duke's Lithuania:
Frisia, Muwahhidun, Thuringia, Saxony, Lusatia, Polabia, Banu Ghaniya, Volynia, Georgia, Friland, Polotsk, Kiev, Tver, Yaroslav, Makuria, Ethiopia, Mecca, Zabid, Oman, Bengal, Orissa, Bijapur, Jaffna, Jurchen
Separate names with a comma.