Prove God does not exist!

[MrPresident]

How do you know then that God is not simply another form of life that you do not understand? How do you know that God is divine?

Also, how do you know that God had any hand in writing the Bible other than the word of those who wrote it?

 

[FredLC]

Most of the logical arguments I have seen on this subject (and believe me I have seen some...I used to be an atheist) are designed to debunk the god of one of the major religions, or even all of them. They often fall apart at the seems when put up against more individualized conceptions of a deity, however, as this one does.

Example, please?

 

[Vancouver 2010]

Caution: Rant Below

Why do you guys insist on vainly trying to resolve a question which cannot be conclusively resolved at the present time? Religionists will insist on the existance of deities. Atheists will insist on the nonexistance of deities. Neither side can conclusively prove that they are right. And even if they could, the other side would be too stubborn to listen. Give up already. This is the 2nd or 3rd "prove god doesn't exist" thread to match the 2nd "prove god exists" thread. Every time the starter of the thread claims it's the responsibility of the other group to prove that god does (or for atheists, does not) exist. Face it people: it's just not gonna happen. There are much better topics to pick and fight over without resulting in a decisive conclusion; so why do you insist on reviving this one!?!

 

[hbdragon88]

Caution: Rant Below
Give up already.

I'm off to go to go to Giveupalready! Will I find the answer there?

 

[Vancouver 2010]

I'm off to go to go to Giveupalready! Will I find the answer there?

Whatthe? Well, that's different...

Back on topic: this god/no-god discussion can be compared to World War I. Both sides are firmly entrenched with a highly lethal area in between them, and in the end, there will be "not an inch gained or lost."

Just my views on the discussion.

 

[anarchywrksbest]

If God is all powerful then why does he allow evil in the world? Maybe he isn't all good?

But if God is all good then why does he allow evil in the world? Maybe he isn't all powerful?

*poof* God disappears in a cloud of logic! *poof*

 

[FredLC]

*poof* God disappears in a cloud of logic! *poof*

And that was your "Hitch Hicker's Guide to the Galaxy" quote of the day.

 

[Smidlee]

If God is all powerful then why does he allow evil in the world? Maybe he isn't all good?

But if God is all good then why does he allow evil in the world? Maybe he isn't all powerful?

*poof* God disappears in a cloud of logic! *poof*

God isn't the one who want evil in this world. *Poof* there goes your logic. *poof*
Also getting rid of evil means getting rid of people.

 

[cgannon64]

Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out?

The one thing I've been questioning is: Why cancer? Why horrible diseases?

Those fit in to the "blind, dumb, cruel creator theory".

 

[Birdjaguar]

The one thing I've been questioning is: Why cancer? Why horrible diseases?
Those fit in to the "blind, dumb, cruel creator theory".

No they fit into the world, just like we do. How we fit in the larger scheme of the universe remains to be seen. Humans on earth are kind of like the great herds of buffalo that roamed the plains of N. America until the 1870s. A juggernaught going and doing wherever and whatever it wants. A closer look reveals the details of living and dying. Wolves taking the sick and the young, bulls fighting for dominance, pesky humans hunting them, etc. It was a tough life and only the best suited and lucky survived.

If you accept evolution, you have to accept what comes with it: disease, six fingered Minnesotans, children dying and the love of your life. The reasons for it are tied to the fact that natural selection doesn't produce perfect specimens. The next question which you almost raised: "Is there a purpose to this world and the suffering people endure?" Isn't free choice fun!

 

[Jeratain]

There's only one way to find out.

 

[Pointlessness]

The premise that god is willing to prevent evil is not true. Even the Christian god has not made any claims of preventing evil, and I cannot actually even think of a god that does.

The damndest thing... I never said god was willing to prevent evil. Look at the proof again, where in the premises did I write W or G -> W?

Premises: If god were unable to prevent evil, it would be impotent; if god were unwilling to prevent evil, it would be malevolent. If evil exists, then god would be unable or unwilling to prevent evil. There is evil. If god exists, it would be unwilling or unable to prevent it.

Symbols:

W: God is willing to prevent evil.
A: God is able to prevent evil.
I: God is impotent.
M: God is malevolent.
E: Evil exists.
G: God exists.

^: Conjunction (And)
V: Disjunction (Or)
~: Negation (Not)
->: Conditional (If… then)

Proof:

1. ~A -> I (1-5) (Given)
2. ~W ->M
3. E -> (~W V ~A)
4. E
5. G -> (~I ^ ~M)
6. ~W V ~A (3) (M.P.)
7. (~A -> I) V (~W -> M) (1,2) (Conj.)
8. I V M (6,7) (C.D)
9. ~ (~I ^ ~M) (8) (De M.)
10. ~G (5,9) (M.T.)

Therefore, god does not exist.

Looking back, I could have erred on some of the premises. Let us take a look:

Premiss 1: ~A -> I That is the definition of impotent, an all powerful god would be able to prevent evil. True

Premiss 2: ~W -> M If there was an all seeing god, it would be pretty malevolent of it to watch the evil and do nothing. True

Premiss 3: E -> (~W V ~A) If evil exists, is there a third possibility other than god being unable or unwilling to prevent it? True

Premiss 4: E This is obviously untrue, the Holocaust never happened, right?
True

Premiss 5: G -> (~I V ~M) I think this is where the problem is. Who says god cannot be impotent or malevolent? Still, some major religions state this, so I have disproved the concept of an omnipotent, completely benevolent god. In other words, the Christian and Islamic god. Pretty good, huh? False

 

[Birdjaguar]

You are using a human perspective to evaluate Good and evil. How do we know god has the same opinion of good and evil as we do? Maybe good and evil are irrelevant to an all powerful all knowing god. It seems pretty presumptuous to be judging something we claim is far superior to us using our standards.

 

[lz14]

BLARRRGGGHHHH!!!!

If ONE more person completely ignores the art of logic, I am going to kill 100 puppies!

THE ONUS OF PROOF IS ON THE ONE WHO ASSERTS THE SILLINESS! Get over it!

Of course you can prove something doesn't exist.

e.g the machine to solve the halting problem doesn't exist.

If you can't prove the non-existence, then you can't stop people to search its existence.

I agree what eyeri said, if you claim it's the truth, you have to prove it, existence or non-existence.

 

[carlosMM]

there is no indication for (a) god(s)('s) existence whatsoever.
none!

all real things have indications of their existence, thus there is no god(s)

 

[Bootstoots]

Are things that exist but for which no evidence has been discovered yet considered "real things?" Or do they only become "real" when evidence of their existance is discovered, before which they are not "real?"

 

[carlosMM]

Are things that exist but for which no evidence has been discovered yet considered "real things?" Or do they only become "real" when evidence of their existance is discovered, before which they are not "real?"

would you name such a thing - besides deities?

oh, i know, pink hot elephants from outer space

 

[Bootstoots]

Okay, the planet Uranus. Was it a real thing before it was discovered?

 

[Free Enterprise]

Are things that exist but for which no evidence has been discovered yet considered "real things?" Or do they only become "real" when evidence of their existance is discovered, before which they are not "real?"

The existence of various planets were unknown until recently. Therefore existence is not tied into whether or not most people think or know something exists. Reality exists outside the mind. Things outside the mind matter in extremely varying degrees. Somethings are irrelevant whilst others are crucial.

Edit: posted this message before seeing the previous post.

 

[Revolutionary]

BLARRRGGGHHHH!!!!

If ONE more person completely ignores the art of logic, I am going to kill 100 puppies!

THE ONUS OF PROOF IS ON THE ONE WHO ASSERTS THE SILLINESS! Get over it!

"THE SILLINESS" this is my new favorite post