Prove God Exists - Act Three

[FearlessLeader2]

That's exactly what science tries to do: make the humans live longer and longer until we're immortals.
The paradox is, when something new has been discovered in genetics with the possibility to make the humans live longer, religions protest against it and say it's something evil and God would made us immortals but it's against our nature, etc...

That would be the same group that tried to lynch first Copernicus, and then Galileo. Please don't confuse them with Christians.

I don't know for Hollywood stories, but Icaros and Dedalos succeded in flying(although, we had a fatal fall!), according to Greek mythology.

Was either wearing red and blue tights and known for bending steel girders? Which one had x-ray and heat vision? Did kryptonite play a part in the fall? Once again, apples and oranges.

Yes, that means exactly that God intended to make you able to do everything, but lacked the knowledge. The problem is that God didn't new anything about genetics back then.

We were made for whatever purpose we were made for, and to di it forever. The rest of your statement is laughable. God hand-stitched our DNA from what was laying around, saying that He didn't know about genetics is either a troll or simple ignorance. There are prohibitions in the Bible against incest starting after the flood, when the gene pool was so small that inbreeding could have had serious complications. Where was Mendel then?

KA, you're seriously beginning to annoy me. There's lots of room on my ignore list...

 

[carlosMM]

That would be the same group that tried to lynch first Copernicus, and then Galileo. Please don't confuse them with Christians.

uh, yeah, right, about 1% of Christians are 'real', the rest is alll just bogus!


come off it - Christian is as follows the Roman Catholic, Protestant, Russian or Greek orthodox etc chruches.

 

[King Alexander]

That would be the same group that tried to lynch first Copernicus, and then Galileo. Please don't confuse them with Christians.

We agree then, that many Christians are as fanatic as are followers of other religions.

Every human has his own beliefs, what can I say? I also have my own beliefs. Not all the people agree with each other.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

carlos,
An important part of Christ's teachings is to avoid association with people who do bad things in spite of their knowledge of his teachings. While it is convienent for you and others who share your views to call Christians and false Christians alike by the same name, it is not at all a fair assignment.

There is a vast difference between dedicated servants of God and self-serving pseudo-Christians who pay lip service to Christ's teachings out one side of their mouth, and utter all sorts of blasphemous things with the other; who sternly correct on one hand, and reach out for sinful practices with the other. Hypocrisy is no part of Christ's teachings.

Forgiveness is, but only for the penitent. Do you think anyone with the power ascribed to the God of the Bible would be fooled by the revolving door sin/confession/forgiveness practices of a certain major religion based in a certain city on a peninsula in the Mediterranean? Then why think that such an organization represents that God?

Let me ask you this: if there were a God as described in the Bible, do you think He would accept the worship and actions of that 99% you speak of so derisively?

The fact that you reject what passes for Christianity in most of the world does you credit for having an analytical mind. But keep it open long enough to at least consider the possibility that some of the people calling themselves Christians are actually trying hard to live up to that ideal, and what that might say about their character.

 

[carlosMM]

FL2: again: you practiclly distance yourself from 99% of all 'Christians' - why do you call yourself one then?

and I have met so few people actually trying to live up to the ideal I could puke.
They, btw, usually are atheists trying to be humane.

 

[CurtSibling]

Like it or not FL2, you have your own flavour of belief to follow.

I see many similar concepts in your ideology as my own.

You do not stand for nonsense, and can see through the thin false mask people can wear.

I respect your fire and faith, but feel that the god-worship is not needed for such admirable self-control and righteousness.

Have you ever thought of the fact that the 'god' aspect you utilise could be just a handhold you do not need?

That you are fully capable of being upright and honourable without the baggage of a church or dogma?

I reckon you could easily set the same high example without the religion.

Just my tuppence.

 

[Blasphemous]

FL2, aren't you commiting the sin of Pride or something here?
You keep going on about how much you are a real Christian and that most of the people who claim the title are bogus... I'm sorry, but your kind is rare enough to be disregarded, and as a whole major religions are not as nice and sensible as you.

 

[Plotinus]

Forgiveness is, but only for the penitent. Do you think anyone with the power ascribed to the God of the Bible would be fooled by the revolving door sin/confession/forgiveness practices of a certain major religion based in a certain city on a peninsula in the Mediterranean? Then why think that such an organization represents that God?

Do you know anything about Catholic theology at all? Don't you know that the Catholic Church agrees entirely with your first sentence here? The notion that one can sin freely and be absolved equally freely is as obnoxious to Catholics as it is to Protestants. In fact, wasn't it a certain anti-Catholic individual of the sixteenth century, going by the initials M.L., who said, "Sin greatly, and believe still more greatly"?

We might turn your question around and ask why, if there is a God, he allows his teachings to be usurped by a fake majority.

The Catholic Church *is* the Christian church, for the very simple reason that it has a historical connection with the original church. Jesus' first disciples formed the organisation that would become the Catholic Church (and, in the east, the Orthodox churches). You may not like the Catholic Church but you must (a) not misrepresent its teachings like some ignorant seventeenth-century Anglican polemicist, and (b) accept that it has far more claim to call itself Christian than any schismatic. The Church Fathers, who founded Christianity as we know it, believed that anyone who breaks the body of Christ on earth (that is, the Church, Christ's body today) will be punished no less severely that those who broke his body on the Cross.

 

[Plotinus]

- Although I should add that really none of this has anything to do with the supposed subject of this thread, which is arguments for the existence of God...

 

[Birdjaguar]

I respect your fire and faith, but feel that the god-worship is not needed for such admirable self-control and righteousness.

Have you ever thought of the fact that the 'god' aspect you utilise could be just a handhold you do not need?

That you are fully capable of being upright and honourable without the baggage of a church or dogma?

I reckon you could easily set the same high example without the religion.

His handholding with god is not unlike your handholding with reason. Each of you has a "companion" that is a source of strength and knowledge.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

FL2, aren't you commiting the sin of Pride or something here?
You keep going on about how much you are a real Christian and that most of the people who claim the title are bogus... I'm sorry, but your kind is rare enough to be disregarded, and as a whole major religions are not as nice and sensible as you.

If I gave you the impression that I was one of the 1%, please forgive me. I've got an express ticket to oblivion, no lines, no waiting. At best, I'm a Christian groupie. I like 'em, and I wish I could be one of 'em, but there's too many temptations and not enough willpower.

Are diamonds rare enough to be discarded, or does their rarity make them more valuable? How about members of near-extinct species? Hmm, is there anything rare that is not precious also? Seems like your concept is flawed. A saying about babies and bathwater comes to mind...

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Do you know anything about Catholic theology at all? Don't you know that the Catholic Church agrees entirely with your first sentence here? The notion that one can sin freely and be absolved equally freely is as obnoxious to Catholics as it is to Protestants. In fact, wasn't it a certain anti-Catholic individual of the sixteenth century, going by the initials M.L., who said, "Sin greatly, and believe still more greatly"?

"By their fruits you shall judge them. For as a tree bearing fine fruit is kept, a tree bearing rotten fruit is cut down and cast on the fire." Does anyone here think Jesus was talking horticulture?

We might turn your question around and ask why, if there is a God, he allows his teachings to be usurped by a fake majority.

Not allows, predicted. God witholds His judgement until the Hour is come, until then Satan has free reign to tempt and turn away all he can. Where better to start than with as many of the early Christians who wanted to be leaders in spite of the whole "...which of us shall be Abba when you are gone?" conversation the disciples had with Jesus?

The Catholic Church *is* the Christian church, for the very simple reason that it has a historical connection with the original church. Jesus' first disciples formed the organisation that would become the Catholic Church (and, in the east, the Orthodox churches). You may not like the Catholic Church but you must (a) not misrepresent its teachings like some ignorant seventeenth-century Anglican polemicist, and (b) accept that it has far more claim to call itself Christian than any schismatic. The Church Fathers, who founded Christianity as we know it, believed that anyone who breaks the body of Christ on earth (that is, the Church, Christ's body today) will be punished no less severely that those who broke his body on the Cross.

I could recite a litany of atrocities in the name of Christ committed by the RCC, but everyone here knows it all already, and it really wouldn't be productive. To the 1700-year history of Godlessness practiced by the RCC, I respond: Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I agree that antiquity is the RCCs only claim to legitimacy. I flatly deny that it is an adequate claim. The RCC is the whore of Babylon, and the nations of this world, the beast upon which she rides, we can see in the process of sniffing and licking one of those fat thighs even now.

The first wet bite is coming soon. The child molestation scandal has bared the beast's teeth. The drool of impending lawsuits drips from the beast's jaws.

We're way off topic. OTOH, the impending fulfillment of one of Revelations' predictions is a way of proving God exits, so I guess we're A-OK.

 

[Plotinus]

Well, I won't disagree that this way off topic. I don't think that the Catholic Church has been any worse from a moral point of view than the Protestant churches - but then I think they're all inferior to Orthodoxy anyway, so we can leave this argument for another time!

 

[Vietcong]

There has already been a victory for believers. The mere existence of this 3rd thread demonstrates that what Jesus said was both wise and true...

"It's a waste of time telling you because you refuse to listen"

so true.
its a matter of faith u fools!!! u cant proove a god exist, and u cant disprove a god exist!!
yall are all such... god i hate u all..
use comansince, becus if he is allmighty, he can make things seem as if he wasnt thear, not to show that he is hear to see if ppl are truly faithfull. yet if he dosent exist things apear to be the way thay are.. so eahtear way, LET THE "PROVE GOD EXIST" THREIDS DIE OUT!!!
U CANT PROVE THER IS A GOD,
AND U CAN DISPROVE THER IS A GOD!! ITS AS #*&#%&# SIMPLE AS THAT!!!
so, Plz let this bull (#*#$% die out!!!!!!!!

Moderator Action: Vietcong: Kindly stop posting swear words; censored or not.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Blasphemous]

If I gave you the impression that I was one of the 1%, please forgive me. I've got an express ticket to oblivion, no lines, no waiting. At best, I'm a Christian groupie. I like 'em, and I wish I could be one of 'em, but there's too many temptations and not enough willpower.

Yes, you definately did give the impression that you are what you call a "True Christian", aka one of the 1%.

Are diamonds rare enough to be discarded, or does their rarity make them more valuable? How about members of near-extinct species? Hmm, is there anything rare that is not precious also? Seems like your concept is flawed. A saying about babies and bathwater comes to mind...

I never said anything about discarded... I said disregarded. My meaning was, when I think about Christianity I think about the pope, not about the "Ture Christianity" that you present, and so while this TC is all well and good, it doesn't begin to redeem the rest of Christianity. (And I'm sure you aren't trying to, as you call them fakes and say they aren't really christians.)

 

[CurtSibling]

His handholding with god is not unlike your handholding with reason. Each of you has a "companion" that is a source of strength and knowledge.

In an alternate world, we have been in opposite factions!

 

[CurtSibling]

so true.
its a matter of faith u fools!!! u cant proove a god exist, and u cant disprove a god exist!!
yall are all such... god i hate u all..
use comansince, becus if he is allmighty, he can make things seem as if he wasnt thear, not to show that he is hear to see if ppl are truly faithfull. yet if he dosent exist things apear to be the way thay are.. so eahtear way, LET THE "PROVE GOD EXIST" THREIDS DIE OUT!!!
U CANT PROVE THER IS A GOD,
AND U CAN DISPROVE THER IS A GOD!! ITS AS #*&#%&# SIMPLE AS THAT!!!
so, Plz let this bull (#*#$% die out!!!!!!!!

This battle will never end!

It's simple, young fella.
Just don't read these threads -
That way you will avoid that ulcer you will give yourself getting so annoyed!


Chill out, go with the flow, etc.

 

[Inter4]

This battle will never end!

Why call it battle? It has become a nice question-answers discussion. Except for Vietcong's post

 

[Birdjaguar]

Are diamonds rare enough to be discarded, or does their rarity make them more valuable? How about members of near-extinct species? Hmm, is there anything rare that is not precious also? Seems like your concept is flawed.

Diamond rarity is not real. The illusion of scarcity is maintained by the Debeers folks to keep prices high by witholding diamonds from the market.

Ebola virus is rare. We could certainly use more of that in the world.

I am unique and a rare blend of wit, intellect and charm, and while I feel I am precious and of enduring value to a beleaguered world, most of the world does not. My rarity and uniqueness would be of even less value if drove a trruck in Iraq.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Artificial or not, it is rarity that inflates the value of diamonds.

Ask an African how rare Ebola is. The average patient has hundreds of millions of Ebola viri running rampant through her system, ask her how rare it is.

And BJ, whether you realize it or not, the fact that there is only one of you is of paramount importance to many people. Your friends and family place a very high value on you, whether or not they are good at expressing it. To strangers, you are just one of many strangers, so your value is different to them than it is to your mother, who regards you as one of her few children (unless you're an only child, in which case she probably values you higher than just about everything else in existence).

Curt,
While I could probably do an adequate job of adhering to any set of principles, I doubt very much that I would have the ability to create a set of principles worth adhering to. I found them in God's Word. What better foundation for a set of moral principles can there be than "...love thy neighbor as thyself..."?

If nothing else, that one timeless jewel of moral thought that runs through 2,500 years and 66 books by 30-odd authors should be evidence of the Bible's divine origin. It is the theme to the great symphony that is God's Word.