Prove Satan exists

[Vanadorn]

@ Pointlessness:

When my "Sarcasm-o-meter" is at full tilt, it's no longer a matter of "2 cents", I'm dumping $20 for a lap dance from the large chested bimbo with the vacant stare who deserves nothing more than scorn, derision, and maybe a smack on the ass for her foolish comments.

I reserve "My 2 cents" for those posts when I'm not ranting like a loon and have more to say than just sarcastic comments.

But, HEY! Thanks for reading and noticing! It's good to have a fan base.

My 2 cents! (And another fine post by Vanadorn!)

 

[Iggy]

Enough with the prove "blank" exist threads. None of them exist. Not God! Not Allah! Not CurtSibling! Not Santa! And not Satan!

This is just going too far. Ye who mock and have no faith, what kind of mind do you have. Do you not know that millions do believe in him, yet you choose to deny him and the good he does to mankind? In many countries people dress in his image and of his followers between the months of October to December, yet you scoff. You are pushing the bounds of crediblity to even hint that Santa does not exist.

 

[Mark Young]

So I see this one is making as much progress as it's cousins......

 

[Gladi]

Mind-reader are we?

AAH! You revealed me! Yes i am telepath from planet çpì-Ml√, how did you know?

Anyway about Lightbringer.
IF he exists, do you see him as an enemy or temptor?

 

[Revolutionary]

If you get drunk enough you can see him on your shoulder. Hes the guy that always whispers in my ear:

Go ahead have another vodka tonic

If you stay up till 2AM you might as well stay up till 5 AM

Lets go to a nudie bar

I think that guy is checking out your girl, lets kick his azz

If you slip out of work at lunch nobody will notice

Only women drive 65 mph

Show some balls

ooooh! so thats Satan and here I thought it was one of my friends telling me to do those things

 

[willemvanoranje]

i don't think he exists.
what is actually the difference between statan lucifer beelzebub diablo nemesis and bahaal and mehisto?

Beelzebub and Baäl are (maybe even the same) God(s) from the ancient Middle-Eastern cultures... Same might go for Mephisto, although I only know him from a computer game

 

[FearlessLeader2]

The greatest trick Satan ever pulled was convincing the world that he does not exist.

There is nothing I or anyone else can say or show that will offer definitive proof of God's existence. The idea that one could provide proof of the existence of His Enemy strikes me as ludicrous. God has hidden away all proof of His existence that we might act on faith.

Why? Proof did nothing whatsoever to secure true service from the Israelites. They received frequent undeniable evidence of their God's power and existence, and that familiarity bred contempt. (Hoping God has a sense of humor... remember the platypus...) God may be a slow learner, but He doesn't forget once the lesson is learned.

People whose knowledge of their God was as certain as their knowledge of the patterns of behavior of the sun and moon would not serve Him; clearly another way was needed. If those who know will only pay lip service at best, then perhaps the service of those who do so out of faith rather than certain knowledge will be pure.

(I'd like to take this moment to point out that since the two topics are inextricably intertwined, I am in no way off topic.)

Your challenge, and the challenge to prove God's existence, are both entirely without merit. As I've pointed out before, proof of the Christian God Jehovah's existence would neccessarily contradict the Bible's guidance that faith is required. Such proof, therefore, would refute the very thing it purports to support.

The one exception to this is the incontrovertible proof that all will face soon enough when the angels holding back the winds at the four corners of the earth let them go at His command, and Jesus leads His army down to do battle at Har-Megiddo.

(Yeah, I know. But you will. You will.)

EDIT: semicolon replaced erroneous comma.

 

[King Alexander]

Prove Satan exists? It does exists in movies, I saw him.

 

[CurtSibling]

Allow me to flip my tuppence into the hat.

The bible wants you to believe the grim words of these ancient men from
an alien culture that has nothing to do with our electronic world.

The words of some scribe in classical Jerusalem means nothing me,
a descendant of Iberian Celts in modern Glasgow.

All the faith in the macro verse is pointless if aimed at something that achieves nothing.
To endlessly follow the rules of long dead men, why keep this march into nowhere going?
The human mind was developed to control his environment, not to waste his potential in profitless mortification.

Also, this hope for a messiah on a white horse charging down in some heavenly blitzkrieg is rather open to question.
Let's be serious about that, we know that scenario is fantasy - to put it lightly.

Unless you mean a metaphor for a human effort?

Because we humans have the responsibility to the world, we cannot shirk it.

If you want to change the world, go out and do something.

We cannot sit in a mire of righteous self-pity and issue denouncements.

That uses up my tuppence worth.

 

[yoshi74]

Good and evil exists. In every person. After enough beer you may even see them sitting on your shoulders .
They are the inner voices telling you to do some good or evil things.
Maybe that was it was the bible wanted to tell the people, but most belivers stick too close to the line to understand the meaning of a metapher and take it for real instead.
I'am quite sure many of the bible writers would slap their head when they would know how it is taken by most people.

 

[Revolutionary]

The greatest trick Satan ever pulled was convincing the world that he does not exist.

oh please there is no such thing as Satan it is we humans that do "evil" things it has nothing to do with some imaginary being that forces people to do bad things, for goodness sake when are people going to take reponsability for there actions

God has hidden away all proof of His existence that we might act on faith.

Why? Proof did nothing whatsoever to secure true service from the Israelites. They received frequent undeniable evidence of their God's power and existence, and that familiarity bred contempt. (Hoping God has a sense of humor... remember the platypus...) God may be a slow learner, but He doesn't forget once the lesson is learned

People whose knowledge of their God was as certain as their knowledge of the patterns of behavior of the sun and moon would not serve Him; clearly another way was needed. If those who know will only pay lip service at best, then perhaps the service of those who do so out of faith rather than certain knowledge will be pure.

Your challenge, and the challenge to prove God's existence, are both entirely without merit. As I've pointed out before, proof of the Christian God Jehovah's existence would neccessarily contradict the Bible's guidance that faith is required. Such proof, therefore, would refute the very thing it purports to support.

of course don't try to prove this real because it will go against the wishes of "God" , this has got to be the most successful con game ever played in history

there is also a contradiction in your statement you say "God" is a slow learner but a true "supreme being" would know all, thus there would be no need for it to learn anything

The one exception to this is the incontrovertible proof that all will face soon enough when the angels holding back the winds at the four corners of the earth let them go at His command, and Jesus leads His army down to do battle at Har-Megiddo.

of course "he" will , I didn't realize you are one of "those" Christians

 

[Vietcong]

every greece leter has some numerical valuew, and i forgot how it all works out, but in the end all 666 means is ceaser nero.

 

[Revolutionary]

every greece leter has some numerical valuew, and i forgot how it all works out, but in the end all 666 means is ceaser nero.

yeah I also heard something like that, I think it was on the History Channel

 

[stormbind]

By the pricking of my thumbs, something evil this way comes...

Some people believe that to speak the full dialog of the witches in Macbeth will cause strange events..

 

[FearlessLeader2]

oh please there is no such thing as Satan it is we humans that do "evil" things it has nothing to do with some imaginary being that forces people to do bad things, for goodness sake when are people going to take reponsability for there actions

What a laugh. You're going to talk to me about taking responsibility for ones actions? Where do you stand on the abortion debate again?

Satan doesn't force anyone to do anything. 'The Devil made me do it.' is a loser cop-out even as you say it is. Satan does not drive us into temptation, he leads us there, and most of us choose to follow of our own free will. Heck, many shove him roughly aside on their way there (in a manner of speaking).

While Satan doesn't control anyone, he does have ways of getting us to do what he wants us to, and hordes of demons to help him spread his tendrils across the world. He whispers his lies into the ears of anyone foolish enough to listen.

of course don't try to prove this real because it will go against the wishes of "God" , this has got to be the most successful con game ever played in history

Just because you can't beat it doesn't mean it isn't true. It just means that your chosen place and cause of battle are meaningless to me. I'm only here to explain that to you, and to explain why.

there is also a contradiction in your statement you say "God" is a slow learner but a true "supreme being" would know all, thus there would be no need for it to learn anything

Pretending not to recognise humor is silly, please stop it. I was making the humorous remark that God's supreme and merciful patience with the Israelites was 'actually' the mark of a slow learner. For you to take it seriously is. . . intellectual dishonesty at best. That said, even God has to wait for us to make our choices to learn what they will be. Predestination is a myth, we all have free will.

of course "he" will , I didn't realize you are one of "those" Christians

I am unaware of any other kind of Christian. I am sure there are a great many people who profess to be Christian that will be confounded and dismayed and utterly surprised by Armageddon, but they are not Christians.

Christians, having read the Bible and accepted it as God's Word, have read Revelations. Having read Revelations, they know that this world is coming to an end at some point in the future, and that it will come to that end after some decidedly unpleasant things come to pass first.

 

[Knowze Gungk]

Why? Proof did nothing whatsoever to secure true service from the Israelites. They received frequent undeniable evidence of their God's power and existence...

To such uneducated minds, a mix of saltpeter, sulfur, charcoal & fire would be undeniable evidence of their God's power and existence.

 

[FredLC]

The greatest trick Satan ever pulled was convincing the world that he does not exist.

Than he is a rather incompetent con man, considering how many people actualy do believe he does.

Maybe he should take classes with Mr. Frank Abagnale Jr...

Regards .

 

[FearlessLeader2]

To such uneducated minds, a mix of saltpeter, sulfur, charcoal & fire would be undeniable evidence of their God's power and existence.

Food raining down from heaven would convince me too, and I'm a modern man. I have a feeling that it might convince you too, but some people can be REALLY stubborn...

 

[samildanach]

Some questions:
Who was Satan? What was his purpose initially -why was he created?

Why did he challenge Gods power? How did he recruit other angels to his cause? Why were some not swayed ? How was he defeated?

Why did God choose to throw Satan down from heaven rather than destroy him?

I can understand why a compassionate God may care about how we live our lives but why would Satan?

Does Satan believe that humanity will give him an advantage over God if he challenges Him again? Why would he think that?

Are demons the same thing as fallen angels? Has a fallen angel ever been redeemed? What exactly is Satans relationship with the other Fallen angels/demons? Are they slaves to his will or is it some sort of free company?

Who runs Hell? God or Satan. If it is Satan that runs it why doesn't he make it more appealling - for recruiting purposes. Or is Hell the crappest place in the universe and Satan is stuck there with no power over his surroundings?

 

[stormbind]

I am not a preacher. The following is from my flawed understanding..

Some questions:
Who was Satan? What was his purpose initially -why was he created?

Why did he challenge Gods power? How did he recruit other angels to his cause? Why were some not swayed ? How was he defeated?

The Bible says, he was the prime angel, and this brilliance went to his head: Satan believed he was more worthy than the others.

Some believed Satan, some did not.

He challenged God when Satan's hope for Earth was dashed. There was a civil war and the angels who followed God won.

Why did God choose to throw Satan down from heaven rather than destroy him?

God didn't want to destroy anyone.

I can understand why a compassionate God may care about how we live our lives but why would Satan?

Satan disagreed with God on what was right.

Does Satan believe that humanity will give him an advantage over God if he challenges Him again? Why would he think that?

Yes. Satan believes God is dilluded and has made a big mistake.

Are demons the same thing as fallen angels? Has a fallen angel ever been redeemed? What exactly is Satans relationship with the other Fallen angels/demons? Are they slaves to his will or is it some sort of free company?

Probably association of free company. Nothing suggests that some fallen angels didn't fall for different reasons and thus no reason to believe they are all allied.

Who runs Hell? God or Satan. If it is Satan that runs it why doesn't he make it more appealling - for recruiting purposes. Or is Hell the crappest place in the universe and Satan is stuck there with no power over his surroundings?

The greatest trick Satan ever pulled, was convincing the world he didn't exist. Wouldn't a good PR campaign undermine those efforts?
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Are there examples of men who think the same way as Satan?