Punching Nazis

[Hehehe]

So now that the dust has settled, can we take stock of what this episode of political violence achieved? This guy, who was punched, did the punch help him see the error of his ways? Did he renounce his membership in the NSDAP? Did his small and irrelevant following disappear, having seen how he got punched? Or did his small and irrelevant following stay the same? Or did his following perhaps grow a little bit as a result of the publicity that was given to him?

 

[Gori the Grey]

As a hobby, the black musician Daryl Davis persuades members of the Ku Klux Klan to defect from the organization. Over the years, he has spoken with hundreds of white supremacists. And due to his work, a couple dozen people have left the organization, including at least two prominent figures in senior leadership positions.

It's astonishing the degree to which actually knowing just one member of hated-group-x can bring people not to hate group x. My parents were as anti-gay as anyone of their generation. Then, their best friends' daughter came out. Bam, they come to be as understanding that "love is love" as anyone of this generation.

@Hehehe. Yes. No. No. No. No (they grew even more convinced that they are the victimized group and need to more emphatically push their views). No (not in number).

 

[Yeekim]

SJWs aren't a real thing. Some oversensitive folks posting on the Internet about their feelings are not quite the same thing as white supremacists.

As I've said, there is a simple bright line test.
"Does X advocate for mass killings of human beings as a political position?" If yes, then punch that person.

Maybe I've lead an exceptionally sheltered life, but I've honestly never encountered anyone who "advocates mass killings of human beings as a political position". (Unlike SJWs, who seem ubiquitous, really).
Where do such people actually exist in post-Nuremberg world - because I really wouldn't mind punching one myself? However, in common contemporary parlance, the bar for describing people as "Nazis/fascists" is often set significantly lower than that.
Recently as low as "wanting stability and trains to be on time"...

 

[Lexicus]

Recently as low as "wanting stability

What does wanting stability mean?

 

[Hehehe]

Yes. No. No. No. No (they grew even more convinced that they are the victimized group and need to more emphatically push their views). No (not in number).

So would it be fair to say that, essentially, it did nothing? At least nothing actual or concrete, other than satisfy a primal urge for political violence? Wasn't the whole justification of this violence to stop nazis? Did it or did it not do that?

 

[Mouthwash]

Thought this might be interesting to y'all: https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-racist-i-know-voted-for-donald-trump/516420/

I can no longer have a dialogue with progressives. For a moment or two after the election you genuinely questioned if it was in some way also your fault, but no longer.

 

[Lexicus]

I can no longer have a dialogue with progressives. For a moment or two after the election you genuinely questioned if it was in some way also your fault, but no longer.

So I'm somewhat confused about how that story could elicit this response. Care to elaborate?

 

[Hygro]

Need to have a transition plan for when partying wears off. So far, partying seems to still be producing kids, but with less of the followup. Bad mojo.

Gotta feast in balance with bounty

 

[metalhead]

Maybe I've lead an exceptionally sheltered life, but I've honestly never encountered anyone who "advocates mass killings of human beings as a political position". (Unlike SJWs, who seem ubiquitous, really).

The guy who was punched, whose punching inspired this thread, advocates for black genocide to become a policy of the U.S.

 

[Farm Boy]

Gotta feast in balance with bounty

Congestive heart failure.

 

[Hygro]

hm, bad bounty bad feast

 

[Mouthwash]

So I'm somewhat confused about how that story could elicit this response. Care to elaborate?

The notion that anyone might have *rational reasons* for voting for Trump is dismissed out of hand. As far as I can see, the only real improvement is that some of the contempt has been replaced with patronization.

 

[Old Hippy]

The notion that anyone might have *rational reasons* for voting for Trump is dismissed out of hand. As far as I can see, the only real improvement is that some of the contempt has been replaced with patronization.

you have to read it and forget what you think he will say and listen to what he is saying....

“However,” he added, “that does not, and I expressly repeat it, that does not mean that everybody who voted for Donald Trump is a racist. There are plenty of people, including good friends of mine, who are not racist, and who voted for Trump. A lot of people wanted a change from what they were accustom to for the last decades … they wanted a change of the status quo, a changing of the guard. And they were willing to overlook his misogyny, his racist or bigoted comments. They just wanted that change. They were are not racist people.

so he gives rational reasons
rational reasons why people might vote for Trump

 

[Timsup2nothin]

"they were willing to overlook his misogyny, his racist or bigoted comments"

Are you sure that's rational?

They were also willing to overlook his obvious lack of any kind of commitment to truthfulness.

Was that rational?

They were also willing to overlook his reliance on a cadre of sycophants who have insulated him from any consequences of his actions for his entire life.

Was that rational?

The list of things that had to be overlooked in the name of "a change" is mighty long.

 

[Mouthwash]

you have to read it and forget what you think he will say and listen to what he is saying....
so he gives rational reasons
rational reasons why people might vote for Trump

I meant that he doesn't think that anybody might have been justified, purely by their own circumstances, in voting for Trump. His overall point is that people are so frustrated that they want to 'blame minority groups' and need to be coaxed out of their delusions with basic human reason. Why else would he elaborate that "every racist I know voted for Trump" afterwards?

 

[Old Hippy]

The list of things that had to be overlooked in the name of "a change" is mighty long.

all true a mighty long list indeed, but does that make 'change' not rational
Burnie was about change too, so was Obama come to that
personally I am for the establishment where I live, just that we are temporarily not the establishment at the moment.... in this point of time
and face stiff completion from 'anti- politician' career politicians and looking at our government I can honestly see their point sometimes
I just think you have to acknowledge that change is a valid voter response even by deplorables as opposed to saying 'we listen to the voters but they are just wrong and irrational' else how will we get rid of Trump and his like if change is not a rational response

 

[Old Hippy]

I meant that he doesn't think that anybody might have been justified, purely by their own circumstances, in voting for Trump. His overall point is that people are so frustrated that they want to 'blame minority groups' and need to be coaxed out of their delusions with basic human reason. Why else would he elaborate that "every racist I know voted for Trump" afterwards?

well he's not a politician but a Musician who's hobby is converting KKK members through reason, a sort of ultimate SJW so to start off saying that every racist he knows voted for trump and then go on to give what he sees as rational reasons why someone would vote for Trump if they are not racist seems fairly middle of the road to me
unless your saying that personal circumstances have nothing to do with 'drain the swamp' and 'get rid of the establishment figures of the Clintons' and what Trump said had no impact on their choice .... that would sort of be you saying they are delusional for voting for Trump

 

[Mouthwash]

That is not a response to or a discussion of my post, it is a reiteration of your original argument. Good day.

 

[Yeekim]

What does wanting stability mean?

Referring to this OP.

The guy who was punched, whose punching inspired this thread, advocates for black genocide to become a policy of the U.S.

This Richard Spencer?

He dresses neatly, eschews violence, and works to sound rational. /.../ In an address at white supremacist Jared Taylor’s 2013 American Renaissance conference, Spencer called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing.” As an example of how this could be accomplished, he cited the 1919 Paris Peace Conference, where new national boundaries were formed at the end of World War I. “Today, in the public imagination, ‘ethnic cleansing’ has been associated with civil war and mass murder (understandably so),” Spencer said. “But this need not be the case. 1919 is a real example of successful ethnic redistribution—done by fiat, we should remember, but done peacefully.”

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/richard-bertrand-spencer-0
Seems like he would fail your "simple bright line test"...

 

[Kyriakos]

"they were willing to overlook his misogyny, his racist or bigoted comments"

Are you sure that's rational?

They were also willing to overlook his obvious lack of any kind of commitment to truthfulness.

Was that rational?

They were also willing to overlook his reliance on a cadre of sycophants who have insulated him from any consequences of his actions for his entire life.

Was that rational?

The list of things that had to be overlooked in the name of "a change" is mighty long.

Career trolling is an actual career prospect in media, for some time now. It's not just Venus de Milo