Punching Nazis

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Yes, of course. I am not quoting your posts because the two of us differ in opinion on the evil of the Nazi. I am simply trying to make people see that right now, at this very moment, they may be the "evil" of other people by simply being themselves. Like homosexual people being evil to some religious people, or communists being evil to your run of the mill American, or Americans being evil to your run of the mill Middle Eastern. The Nazi were not evil to those people that believed in their policies. Understanding evil and why people are sometimes okay with unspeakable acts pertains closely to why people are mostly okay with punching the Nazi as well.

I would give an example of todays treating with animals. Breeding animals to eat them, skinning them, experimenting products on them when it is not any longer necessary for our survival. Deeply in heart most of us know that something is not right, but most of us deny it in everydays life. We are not deeply concerned with means and obsessed with results. And in confrontation we often use same arguments by which was totalitarianism and slavery defended. I believe that once we will be all considered evil for this...and maybe will be nazis even praised for their stance towards vegetarianism :)
 
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Most vegetarians and animal-lovers have a bit of Hitler in them, possibly :wow:

Well... some people do seem to like animals like dogs and cats more than their fellow humans.
 
Most vegetarians and animal-lovers have a bit of Hitler in them, possibly :wow:

Well... some people do seem to like animals like dogs and cats more than their fellow humans.
And Hitler ate sugar?

"You know, I shouldn't have to explain this, but sharing one attribute with Nazis doesn't make you one!"
Jon Stewart, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

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Is Jon Stewart sure? I mean what about people who like self-determination of those declaring independence of southern US states? Does everyone have to like slavery too? :wow:

You know, Steward did a nice 180 degree turn on expressing his views on how polarization leads to ruin, now that his pal Colbert bases his entire career of being a polarizing figure.
 
EDIT: Basically, my stance is ideologies should be judged on how they actually worked when put into practice, not on what that ideology's supporters say it should have been like.
That's reasonable but it leaves my question unanswered


[..]what part of the ideology that killed all the people is the same with this theoretical communism and those who were pursuing it as a state policy?
 
Yes, of course. I am not quoting your posts because the two of us differ in opinion on the evil of the Nazi. I am simply trying to make people see that right now, at this very moment, they may be the "evil" of other people by simply being themselves. Like homosexual people being evil to some religious people, or communists being evil to your run of the mill American, or Americans being evil to your run of the mill Middle Eastern. The Nazi were not evil to those people that believed in their policies. Understanding evil and why people are sometimes okay with unspeakable acts pertains closely to why people are mostly okay with punching the Nazi as well.

This moral relativism false equivalency game you're playing is so weak, dude.

LGBT people aren't advocating for genocide. "Run of the mill Middle Eastern" is not advocating for genocide. Communists, by and large, do not advocate for genocide.

Genocide is an intrinsic part of the nazi ideology. You cannot be a nazi without supporting genocide¹. So long as we can all agree that genocide is evil per se, then it follows logically that nazism is an evil ideology and its practitioners and advocates are likewise evil. And objectively so.

¹Or "peaceful" ethnic cleansing (i.e. genocide)
 
Genocide is an intrinsic part of the nazi ideology. You cannot be a nazi without supporting genocide¹.

¹Or "peaceful" ethnic cleansing (i.e. genocide)

It sounds better in the original german. SS guards might occasionally have debated this, unless, of course, every ww2 german was pro-genocide. Those debates sadly had the habbit to end abruptly, when the next jewish-gypsy-easteuro-other was brought to be gassed or cremated, or a village to be massacred as reprisal for one german superior life taken. But it looks like they may find a new life and supporters in 2017 :thumbsup:
 
This moral relativism false equivalency game you're playing is so weak, dude.

LGBT people aren't advocating for genocide. "Run of the mill Middle Eastern" is not advocating for genocide. Communists, by and large, do not advocate for genocide.

Genocide is an intrinsic part of the nazi ideology. You cannot be a nazi without supporting genocide¹. So long as we can all agree that genocide is evil per se, then it follows logically that nazism is an evil ideology and its practitioners and advocates are likewise evil. And objectively so.

¹Or "peaceful" ethnic cleansing (i.e. genocide)
I am not talking about or defending moral relativisim. My main focus is human nature. The point I am trying to make, and my question is, why, without viewing themselves as evil, were the Nazi and those who supported them commit and condone genocide?

More importantly, how likely are we who currently view ourselves as non-evil, normal people to transform into that under the right conditions? What are those conditions? Are people only "good" as long as the promise of their survival is not broken?
 
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Because they were wrong AND evil.
 
do you support killing an entire people (of your choosing)?
No, but I do feel comfortable in my home with central heating on, my belly full, my mind entertained with deep conversation, while others suffer on the streets. Tell me, what are we but evil to them?
 
Lucky?
 
congratulations, you are better than the nazis
Maybe. I doubt it. I am part of a system that promotes inequality and punishes the weak, while coloring it as freedom. The fact that I have no idea how many people I have indirectly killed or caused suffering to through this system I keep alive collectively with others does not absolve me of anything. At the same time, what I do is necessary for me to stay alive. Therefore it is socially acceptable to go on as I do, as we all do.
 
animals are our moral superiors

Some probably are appearing more moral, then again are dogs really moral? Given they probably used to be like wolves, they very likely degraded into a kind of servitude which by now rendered them fearful of being abandoned by humans, and utterly dependent on them.

As for cats... No, they aren't moral nor appear to be ^^
 
The main difference was that southerners wanted black people on plantations and northerners in the factories.
It's really more complex than that. The Free Soil movement was as much against the wage system as it was against slavery. The idea that proletarianisation is a good or progressive trend only become popularised in the nineteenth century, when it becomes irresistible. In the 1860s, many Westerners, especially Americans, remained deeply ambivalent about it.

Communists, Anarchists, and other left wing extreme groups (...) are *definitely* evil and dangerous people.
That's very flattering, but I honestly can't think of anyone less dangerous to the general public than myself.

Here's a different explanation, which I would like your thoughts on:
The over-simplification of Marxism and the history of Marxism is... Well, you can probably guess where I'm going with that, but I think there's something to his explanation, at least so far as it applies to Americans. But I think it's mistaken to regard differing reactions to reaction and Stalinism as a simple matter of proximity, as if people don't have some grasp of the broad historical distinctions between the two, as if they're motivated only by guilt and narcissism. It all plays a part, to be sure, but a greater horror towards Nazism than Stalinism is consistent enough across many societies with varied histories, to the point where a rejection of this distinction is widely understood as a clue that you probably shouldn't invite this individual out for a bagel, that we can't reject the actual, historical differences between the two, or the popular apprehension of those differences, in forming that reaction.

No, but I do feel comfortable in my home with central heating on, my belly full, my mind entertained with deep conversation, while others suffer on the streets. Tell me, what are we but evil to them?
That's asinine. People aren't on the streets because I put them there. They're on the streets because the posters of CFC, collectively, put them there. Only at the hazy and distant level of "society" can we be held in any meaningfully way responsible, and you can't simultaneously maintain that level of abstraction and a meaningful concept of personal guilt. In contrast, people were in the camps because the Nazis put them there: it was a deliberate policy carried out by an identified organisation with a clear command structure. There were identifiable decisions made and acted upon by identifiable people.

If "we" are evil, as you say, who is held to account? Who do we hang? It is not possible to say. But say that the Nazis were evil, who do we hang? We know exactly who to hang. We hanged them. It wasn't a tough call.
 
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That's very flattering, but I honestly can't think of anyone less dangerous to the general public than myself.
I have a conversation you had with someone that you might find familiar.
"Are you that loser who assaulted me on a night out 5 years ago?"
Janig said:
If youre [poop]ing yourself right now then its you.
Traitorfish said:
I don't think I could legally drink when you're saying this happened, so it doesn't seem likely.
Janig said:
Nobody mentioned drink: Go [presumably "eff"; board censored it] yourself.

You mentioned drink. You said "on a night out". Why would somebody who couldn't drink be hanging out in... whatever town you were out in, you didn't specify, at whatever time of night?

I mean, where is this, any of this, coming from? I'm really, really not getting this.
Janig said:
Ive humiliated bigger guys than you in fights so many times. Youre lucky I didnt do something stupid, dont do it again.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/brought-to-you-by-cfc.475641/page-23
 
Well, obviously, yes, if I really had encountered him, I'd have blown him to bits with of my cartoonishly over-sized bombs, which I keep hidden in my great bushy beard for the short-notice doing of wicked deeds.
 
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