Thequeenisgay
Chieftain
just because religon curropts certian people dosent mean you have to allow it to curropt you. if your strong willed
Questions about Judaism
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Hi again!
I might be missing until after Shabbath.
But for now I'm here.
Israelite9191
I was basically speaking about the society that forgot about God - not individuals.
Also - Avraham did live in an idolatrous society - but he did recognize God while being yet a small child of three!
(That's speaking of individuals.)
And if you would like to hear my opinion - a secular school is better than a non-Jewsih religious one. DEFINITELY.
Btw we (unfortunatelly or otherwise - I don't know) have here (in Baltics) secular schools for Jews.
You can't learn much Judaism there but you are not taught any other religion either.
And it still makes you proud of your Jewishness which can lead to a fully Jewish life.
(Of course the best would be to try get some money and go to a real Jewish school. Jewish education for children is one of the most important things now all over the world. )
About "temples" - sorry but somehow I think it's more because of trying to "look Jewish and non-Jewish at the same time" - non-Jews have "temples" - why don't we too.
Thequeenisgay
I found the text about Eliyahu [Mlachim (Kings?) I: 16-28 to 18-45]:
(In my words here - from another source. I often use one source (not English) to tell the essence of the story and then find an English source online for those who'd like to read it. I hope both sources are coherent. )
There was a king in Israel named Achav.
He had a (non-Jewish) wife Yezevel who decided to "introduce" Ball-worship into Israel.
The weak king agreed and she brought 1000 of Baal's priests.
Their rituals over time drew attention of the Jews.
Jews made a mistake and proclaimed "we can serve both Baal and One God".
Then Jewish prophets started warning the Jews that it's forbidden to worship any power but God.
Yezevel got mad and ordered to kill the Jewish prophets - hundreds were killed by that cruel woman.
Eliyahu was one of the few survivors.
Some time afterwards the king was personally warned that there will be a draught until the Jews will stop worshipping Baal.
The warner was nobody else but Eliyahu.
The king didn't listen to him and there was no rain for three years.
The king had a prime minister named Ovadya who managed to save and support true Jewish prophets.
Once Ovadya met Eliyahu in the field and he said he would come to the king.
Ovadya told this to the king.
When Eliyahu met with the king, the king accused him of causing the draught.
But Eliyahu answered that it was caused because of the worshipping of Baal.
He suggested bringing all Jews and all Baal priest to the mount Carmel.
"And then you'll see Who is God."
When everybody was at the mount, Eliyahu spoke to the Jews:
"I'm alone and there are 450 priests of Baal. Let's make a contest - each side will bring a sacrifice. Whichever will be approved by Divine Fire will show Who is the real God."
The self-confident priests agreed.
They were first to sacrifice.
They started dancing and shouting and doing their rituals - but to no result.
This continued for some half-day.
And all of the time Eliyahu mocked them:
"Shout louder - maybe your god is busy or sleeping or he became deaf. Come on, try out your lungs!"
But, of course, nothing happened.
Then was Eliyahu's turn.
He took 12 stones according to the twelve Tribes of Israel.
Then he dug a huge moat and filled it with water.
He also soaked the sacrifice with water.
Then he prayed:
"O God of Avraham, Yitzchak and Yakov! Help Your people to believe in You. Turn their hearts towards You!"
And immediately a Divine Fire dropped from the sky and destroyed not only the altar and the sacrifice but even the moat's water!
The Jews now were acknowledged about Who is God.
Online source:
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt09a16.htm
and forth to ch.18.
I might be missing until after Shabbath.
But for now I'm here.
Israelite9191
I was basically speaking about the society that forgot about God - not individuals.
Also - Avraham did live in an idolatrous society - but he did recognize God while being yet a small child of three!
(That's speaking of individuals.)
And if you would like to hear my opinion - a secular school is better than a non-Jewsih religious one. DEFINITELY.
Btw we (unfortunatelly or otherwise - I don't know) have here (in Baltics) secular schools for Jews.
You can't learn much Judaism there but you are not taught any other religion either.
And it still makes you proud of your Jewishness which can lead to a fully Jewish life.
(Of course the best would be to try get some money and go to a real Jewish school.
Jewish education for children is one of the most important things now all over the world. )About "temples" - sorry but somehow I think it's more because of trying to "look Jewish and non-Jewish at the same time" - non-Jews have "temples" - why don't we too.
Thequeenisgay
I found the text about Eliyahu [Mlachim (Kings?) I: 16-28 to 18-45]:
(In my words here - from another source. I often use one source (not English) to tell the essence of the story and then find an English source online for those who'd like to read it. I hope both sources are coherent.
)There was a king in Israel named Achav.
He had a (non-Jewish) wife Yezevel who decided to "introduce" Ball-worship into Israel.
The weak king agreed and she brought 1000 of Baal's priests.
Their rituals over time drew attention of the Jews.
Jews made a mistake and proclaimed "we can serve both Baal and One God".
Then Jewish prophets started warning the Jews that it's forbidden to worship any power but God.
Yezevel got mad and ordered to kill the Jewish prophets - hundreds were killed by that cruel woman.
Eliyahu was one of the few survivors.
Some time afterwards the king was personally warned that there will be a draught until the Jews will stop worshipping Baal.
The warner was nobody else but Eliyahu.
The king didn't listen to him and there was no rain for three years.
The king had a prime minister named Ovadya who managed to save and support true Jewish prophets.
Once Ovadya met Eliyahu in the field and he said he would come to the king.
Ovadya told this to the king.
When Eliyahu met with the king, the king accused him of causing the draught.
But Eliyahu answered that it was caused because of the worshipping of Baal.
He suggested bringing all Jews and all Baal priest to the mount Carmel.
"And then you'll see Who is God."
When everybody was at the mount, Eliyahu spoke to the Jews:
"I'm alone and there are 450 priests of Baal. Let's make a contest - each side will bring a sacrifice. Whichever will be approved by Divine Fire will show Who is the real God."
The self-confident priests agreed.
They were first to sacrifice.
They started dancing and shouting and doing their rituals - but to no result.
This continued for some half-day.
And all of the time Eliyahu mocked them:
"Shout louder - maybe your god is busy or sleeping or he became deaf. Come on, try out your lungs!"
But, of course, nothing happened.
Then was Eliyahu's turn.
He took 12 stones according to the twelve Tribes of Israel.
Then he dug a huge moat and filled it with water.
He also soaked the sacrifice with water.
Then he prayed:
"O God of Avraham, Yitzchak and Yakov! Help Your people to believe in You. Turn their hearts towards You!"
And immediately a Divine Fire dropped from the sky and destroyed not only the altar and the sacrifice but even the moat's water!
The Jews now were acknowledged about Who is God.
Online source:
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt09a16.htm
and forth to ch.18.
Thequeenisgay
Chieftain
and now this nice friendly moive by a certian mr gibson has started it up again.... rubbish moive btw just jesus getting beaten up for 2 hours
Thequeenisgay
Chieftain
oh yeah and thanks for the source.................. now Anymore questions?
Israelite9191
You should be reading
Actually, not only is "The Passion of the Christ" historically inacurate, (slightly) anti-Semitic, and just plain not good, it is also inaccurate according to the Gospels. Go read them, you'll find a lot of inconsistencies with the movie (and with each other).
OK, this thread seems like it is turning into more of a debate on specifics of Judaism between Jews than a thread were Gentiles can ask questions. I am going to revive the other thread I started so that there is a thread for Gentiles to ask questions.
OK, this thread seems like it is turning into more of a debate on specifics of Judaism between Jews than a thread were Gentiles can ask questions. I am going to revive the other thread I started so that there is a thread for Gentiles to ask questions.
HannibalBarka
We are Free
Thequeenisgay said:
You do know that Kahane Chai (in your signature) is considered a Terrorist Organization by the US governement and other governments?
Thequeenisgay
Chieftain
of course i know... not that i care really what america thinks he was a great man and a great scholer but this is not what this thread is about start another thread if you want to get into dicussion
Thequeenisgay
Chieftain
i told you im bloomin 17 my birthday is hey shevat
HannibalBarka
We are Free
Thequeenisgay said:
He was a racist and a terrorist scum, the jewish equivalent of Cheik Yassin if you ask me. the Knesset outlawed his party because he was a shame for Israel. Now you believe what you want, and you open a new thread if you wanna show us how "great" he was
Thequeenisgay
Chieftain
i feel no need to prove his greatness to you and you can believe whta you want to believe but leave me with mine now please dont post on this subject unless you have a question
Thequeenisgay
Chieftain
lol this is going so off topic... maybe because im lazy when i write and i dont check it over after...
ill try and write better in the future. yep was born in the UK
ill try and write better in the future. yep was born in the UK
I heard somewhere that Jewish folks shouldn't speak/write the name of their higher power, and seems to be born out by my cruise through the previous pages of this thread. Given the discussion going on in the "should the US take 'In God We Trust' off currency" I've got the following questions:
- Am I correct to any degree?
- Is it offensive for a non-Jew to refer to the Jewish higher power by name?
- Assuming the term "god" applies to both Jewish and Christian ones, how would one refer to the Jewish one specifically?
Thanks for this thread, and any insight you can give me.
- Am I correct to any degree?
- Is it offensive for a non-Jew to refer to the Jewish higher power by name?
- Assuming the term "god" applies to both Jewish and Christian ones, how would one refer to the Jewish one specifically?
Thanks for this thread, and any insight you can give me.
civ2
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IglooDude
Hi.
Well the word "God" is the ENGLISH "Name" for... God.
Basically it's better to write G-d but I don't do it here for better understanding.
Your question refers to the Jewish "Name" for God.
That Name is prohibited to be used outside either prayer or direct reading from Torah.
In everyday life it's replaced with "Hashem" (translates - "the Name") but people still understand this meaning "God".
There's only ONE (and "Unique" ) God.
God is God - what else can I say?
Didn't read about US currency - don't really care actually.
But I know of a saying that one of the reasons for its prosperity was exactly the phrase.
Hi.
Well the word "God" is the ENGLISH "Name" for... God.
Basically it's better to write G-d but I don't do it here for better understanding.
Your question refers to the Jewish "Name" for God.
That Name is prohibited to be used outside either prayer or direct reading from Torah.
In everyday life it's replaced with "Hashem" (translates - "the Name") but people still understand this meaning "God".
There's only ONE (and "Unique"
) God.God is God - what else can I say?
Didn't read about US currency - don't really care actually.
But I know of a saying that one of the reasons for its prosperity was exactly the phrase.
Thequeenisgay
Chieftain
and even in prayer when we read the prayer books we dont actully read G-ds name we something to replace it "my master"
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Thequeenisgay
(This post is not for you definitely - I'm just extending yours. )
Basically the "TRUE NAME" is unknown to regular Jews - only VERY righteous and learned POSSIBLY know it (nowadays - in the days of the Temple it definitely was known).
The "Name" we use in prayers is also some kind of substitution - but of a holy nature itself.
I'm not sure which spelling denotes the "True Name" - might be the Tetregrammaton (it's NOT pronounced as it spells - this mistake was made by Greeks to mock Jews - very stupid of such "clever" people ).
(This post is not for you definitely - I'm just extending yours.
)Basically the "TRUE NAME" is unknown to regular Jews - only VERY righteous and learned POSSIBLY know it (nowadays - in the days of the Temple it definitely was known).
The "Name" we use in prayers is also some kind of substitution - but of a holy nature itself.
I'm not sure which spelling denotes the "True Name" - might be the Tetregrammaton (it's NOT pronounced as it spells - this mistake was made by Greeks to mock Jews - very stupid of such "clever" people
).
