Random Rants XLVII: I don't like food anymore!

[Grendeldef]

I keep forgetting that Sweden owning Finland is only at hockey now.

Yeah, if it only were 1809 again we'd comfortably had beaten ourselves but to the language question; are there other languages that spoken like they are written ?

Yet, without Caramelldansen, the world would be incomplete. So someone should learn Swedish just in case.

That's a novel argument but I assume it'll soon enough be one of more reasonable arguments for keeping Finland (apart from Åland) bilingual. Moreover, it got me interested so I consulted my friend Google to find out more & now I feel enlightened - never a wasted day in CFC, thanks.

It's better than transforming 'beef' into 'pihvi'.

I'm not sure about the origin of word 'pihvi' but I'd bet few coins for it being the Swedish 'biff'.

 

[azzaman333]

Dear 7-11 employee, don't resent me for coming to your store and purchasing something and forcing you to do your job. It's not an acceptable standard of customer service.

 

[Takhisis]

Yeah, if it only were 1809 again we'd comfortably had beaten ourselves but to the language question; are there other languages that spoken like they are written ?

Japanese, to a degree, I think… then you have the question of what you do mean by 'like they are written'.

That's a novel argument but I assume it'll soon enough be one of more reasonable arguments for keeping Finland (apart from Åland) bilingual. Moreover, it got me interested so I consulted my friend Google to find out more & now I feel enlightened - never a wasted day in CFC, thanks.

You should look for something called 'Speedycake Remix' on TVTropes.

I'm not sure about the origin of word 'pihvi' but I'd bet few coins for it being the Swedish 'biff'.

Yes, you have so many loanwords that at times I'm fooled.

Dear 7-11 employee, don't resent me for coming to your store and purchasing something and forcing you to do your job. It's not an acceptable standard of customer service.

Au contraire, you're the one who's being unreasonable by exploiting the workers without even paying them.

 

[azzaman333]

Au contraire, you're the one who's being unreasonable by exploiting the workers without even paying them.

What's unreasonable is how much I had to pay for a simple bag of M&Ms and an inferior energy drink brand.

 

[Takhisis]

Tap water FTW.

 

[Grendeldef]

Japanese, to a degree, I think… then you have the question of what you do mean by 'like they are written'.

A fair question. I think in this case it means that one sound equals one letter (or a sign) and vice versa. Every other language seem to have some relative pronunciation to a variable degree that Tollemache-Tollemache family being a rather extreme example.
My knowledge of Japanese is non-existent but as a kid we used to think that there wasn't any swearwords - (dis)information enough to kill any interest on the subject.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Serbocroatian (or Serbian and Croatian if some wacky nationalists are to be believed) is written as it is spoken due to linguistic reforms in the 19th century. There are some sounds that are rendered as letter combinations (lj, nj) like th in English when using the latin alphabet, but they have their own symbols in the Serbian cyrillic alphabet.
You still won't know exactly how a word is pronounced when you read it. In past times accent marks were used to indicate vowel length and stress, but those have fallen out of use and nowadays you pretty much have to guess if you encounter an unknown word.

Japanese isn't really a good example because it uses a syllabary (actually two syllabaries and some Chinese characters), and spoken Japanese is full of contractions where vowels are either just suggested or omitted.

Mandarin is spoken almost exactly as it is written if you use Pīn​yīn (other transcription systems like Wade-Giles tend to have some pretty ridiculous pronounciation rules) and spoken with a 'clean' accent (regional accents tend to do stuff like pronouncing sh like s or add a piratesque arrr to the end of a word). You'll just have to keep in mind that x and q aren't actually x and q but are used to represent sounds that don't appear in most european languages (and the same goes for r and j, but they bear more resemblance to r and j as pronounced in english). Oh, and the i in all variations of chi, shi, and zhi is silent, and the letter e has two different pronounciations, the w in wu is silent, the u in yuan sounds like ü, and the syllable yuan actually has a completely different diphtong than guan and..aaaah....screw it.
There actually are a couple of rules and exceptions in Pīn​yīn , but it's still very consistent compared to most European languages.

 

[JohannaK]

I came back home from a birthday party, totally devastated by the late realisation of the loss of a certain object which is most dear to me and I keep at all times in my shirt's pocket, except when I'm not wearing a shirt: my Rainbow Dash blindbag figure. It was a kind of an amulet to me, and which I greatly appreciated. This loss is only made worse by the fact that I have not found any blindbags in at least a month, and thus its immediate replacement with an identical figure is absolutely impossible.

 

[W|M]

What happened is for the best.

 

[SamSniped]

Just snapped at one of my best friends. And I'm thinking about things which I've tried to forget. I just need a break from all of the **** I'm always putting up with.

 

[Grendeldef]

There actually are a couple of rules and exceptions in Pīn​yīn , but it's still very consistent compared to most European languages.

Interesting stuff but we're still in or very near square one for finding another one. I don't know if such exists but it somehow seems more probable than the opposite option.
The Finnish exception to the rule is the 'äng' sound for which there's no single letter but it's written with nk or ng however for a written word the pronunciation is always the same. Perhaps we just lack the imagination of others.

 

[cardgame]

I came back home from a birthday party, totally devastated by the late realisation of the loss of a certain object which is most dear to me and I keep at all times in my shirt's pocket, except when I'm not wearing a shirt: my Rainbow Dash blindbag figure. It was a kind of an amulet to me, and which I greatly appreciated. This loss is only made worse by the fact that I have not found any blindbags in at least a month, and thus its immediate replacement with an identical figure is absolutely impossible.

You have my sympathy

 

[Phrossack]

cannot sleep aaaaarrrrrgh

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

It's cold and I don't want to waste my precious life working. Get me the f... out of this town!

(post Bali blues....just having a drunken whinge)

 

[Takhisis]

Interesting stuff but we're still in or very near square one for finding another one. I don't know if such exists but it somehow seems more probable than the opposite option.
The Finnish exception to the rule is the 'äng' sound for which there's no single letter but it's written with nk or ng however for a written word the pronunciation is always the same. Perhaps we just lack the imagination of others.

GoodSarmatian is right, Gaj's latinica and Karadžić's Cyrillic are practically spot on.

As for the äng sound, I've been meaning to ask our teacher why on earth the Finns don't use the letter [wiki=Eng_(letter)]ŋ[/wiki], which'd be more practical. Quite the ongelma.

 

[azzaman333]

2 assignments worth in total 16% of my mark for a subject due today, barely started one and haven't started the other.

 

[Grendeldef]

GoodSarmatian is right, Gaj's latinica and Karadžić's Cyrillic are practically spot on.

As for the äng sound, I've been meaning to ask our teacher why on earth the Finns don't use the letter [wiki=Eng_(letter)]ŋ[/wiki], which'd be more practical. Quite the ongelma.

Blame the Swedes We use the Swedish keyboard and have been using their implementation of alphabets since the beginning - few letters have been dismissed since but none has been introduced. A major flaw I admit but apparently every rule needs an exception.
I need to get more familiar with the Slavic languages. I learned Russian Cyrillic alphabet to ease the pain of following (mainly) ice hockey from Estonian TV back in the days when the glorious Izvestija (Извести&#1103 tournament practically started Xmas time.

 

[Phrossack]

I hate my brother. Stupid selfish layabout prick eats everything in the house, breaks the computer, sleeps most of the day, does laundry at 2 in the morning and makes dinner then, eats everything in the house in a futile attempt to gain weight, insults everyone, doesn't help out, makes messes all over and doesn't clean them out, owes the family thousands of dollars, often gets arrested, breaks every rule in the books, frequently bickers with everyone, and is nothing but trouble. This has gone on for years and years and he was only kicked out once and temporarily.

He and I are black and white (figuratively and literally). We never associate with each other, I can't stand him, and I would honestly be happy if I never saw him again, because I rarely see him as is and when I do I wish I didn't. This isn't just an angry outburst; I've felt this way for years, and it's starting to boil over. If I'd had my druthers he'd have been kicked out and disowned years ago.

 

[nc-1701]

I finished my first year of grad school and took off running (literally) road trip across the entire continent. Ended with me dropping a grand at a strip club in Vegas... That's about how much money I make in a month with my assistantship and goes on top of close to another grand I spent on gas/lodging/food/etc.

Now I'm home, about to start summer school and broke as <expletive of choice>. I'm going to have to ask my parents for money to get through the summer, which given the reason for my predicament leaves me more than a little ashamed. This isn't what I do, I'm usually very careful with money. Grad school has just been too much and left me in some screwed up place where this all seemed reasonable.

Ugfh

 

[Takhisis]

RANT: We had to take an exam today without even really knowign what we were supposed to be doing until we actually arrived there.

@nc-1701: it's mostly your fault, but&#8230; ouch.

2 assignments worth in total 16% of my mark for a subject due today, barely started one and haven't started the other.

See above.

Blame the Swedes&#8230;

This is also said in Norway, there must be a pattern&#8230;

We use the Swedish keyboard and have been using their implementation of alphabets since the beginning - few letters have been dismissed since but none has been introduced. A major flaw I admit but apparently every rule needs an exception.

Because otherwise Finland is bestland.

Maybe Finland should do as Eastern Karelia/Karjala/Kareliya does and switch to Cyrillic?

I need to get more familiar with the Slavic languages. I learned Russian Cyrillic alphabet to ease the pain of following (mainly) ice hockey from Estonian TV back in the days when the glorious Izvestija (&#1048;&#1079;&#1074;&#1077;&#1089;&#1090;&#1080;&#1103 tournament practically started Xmas time.

Everyone needs to get more familiar with the Slavic languages.
Also, &#1048;&#1079;&#1074;&#1077;&#1089;&#1090;&#1080;&#1112;&#1072; in Father Vuk's glorious patriotic handwriting. One letter, one phoneme.

I hate my brother. Stupid selfish layabout prick eats everything in the house, breaks the computer, sleeps most of the day, does laundry at 2 in the morning and makes dinner then, eats everything in the house in a futile attempt to gain weight, insults everyone, doesn't help out, makes messes all over and doesn't clean them out, owes the family thousands of dollars, often gets arrested, breaks every rule in the books, frequently bickers with everyone, and is nothing but trouble. This has gone on for years and years and he was only kicked out once and temporarily.

He and I are black and white (figuratively and literally). We never associate with each other, I can't stand him, and I would honestly be happy if I never saw him again, because I rarely see him as is and when I do I wish I didn't. This isn't just an angry outburst; I've felt this way for years, and it's starting to boil over. If I'd had my druthers he'd have been kicked out and disowned years ago.

Black and white? Sounds like an adopted pair.