Rapists to get lower prison sentence than the guy who exposed the rapists?

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/kyanonymous-fbi-steubenville-raid-anonymous

In April, the FBI quietly raided the home of the hacker known as KYAnonymous in connection with his role in the Steubenville rape case. Today he spoke out for the first time about the raid, his true identity, and his motivations for pursuing the Steubenville rapists, in an extensive interview with Mother Jones.

"The goal of the media interviews is to get the entire nation to say 'fck you' to these guys," said KYAnonymous, whose real name is Deric Lostutter. He was referring to the federal agents who raided his home in Winchester, Kentucky, and carted off his computers and XBox.

Lostutter may deserve more credit than anyone for turning Steubenville into a national outrage. After a 16-year-old girl was raped by two members of the Steubenville High football team last year, he obtained and published tweets and Instagram photos in which other team members had joked about the incident and belittled the victim. He now admits to being the man behind the mask in a video posted by another hacker on the team's fan page, RollRedRoll.com, where he threatened action against the players unless they apologized to the girl. (The rapists were convicted in March.)

A 26-year-old corporate cybersecurity consultant, Lostutter lives on a farm with his pit bull, Thor, and hunts turkeys, goes fishing, and rides motorcycles in his free time. He considers himself to be a patriotic American; he flies an American flag and enjoys Bud Light. He's also a rapper with the stage name Shadow, and recently released a solo album under the aegis of his own label, Nightshade Records. The name dovetails with that of his Anonymous faction, KnightSec.

Lostutter first got involved in Anonymous about a year ago, after watching the documentary We Are Legion. "This is me," he thought as he learned about the group's commitment to government accountability and transparency. "It was everything that I'd ever preached, and now there's this group of people getting off the couch and doing something about it. I wanted to be part of the movement."

He'd read about the Steubenville rape in the New York Times, but didn't get involved until receiving a message on Twitter from Michelle McKee, a friend of an Ohio blogger who'd written about the case. (You can read about her story here.) McKee gave Lostutter the players' tweets and Instagram photos, which he then decided to publicize because, as he put it, "I was always raised to stick up for people who are getting bullied."

The ensuing tornado of media coverage took him by surprise. He mostly avoided the spotlight, except for a brief interview that he gave to CNN while wearing his Guy Fawkes mask. "I was real scared," but also inspired, he told me. "There were so many people standing behind the cause that it felt like you had an army at your disposal and you could just stick up for what's right."

Yet sometimes the Steubenville army seemed to lack discipline, ignoring the letter of the law as it pursued its own brand of justice. Lostutter says he played no role in the hacking the team's fan page; he points out that another hacker, Batcat, has publicly taken the credit. Still, Lostutter knew from a tipster that the FBI was watching him, he says, and stopped tweeting a few months ago. The FBI knocked on his door just two days after he finally went back online.

At first, he thought the FBI agent at the door was with FedEx. "As I open the door to greet the driver, approximately 12 FBI SWAT team agents jumped out of the truck, screaming for me to 'Get the fck down!' with M-16 assault rifles and full riot gear, armed, safety off, pointed directly at my head," Lostutter wrote today on his blog. "I was handcuffed and detained outside while they cleared my house."

According to the FBI's search warrant, agents were seeking evidence related to the hacking of RollRedRoll.com.

Lostutter believes that the FBI investigation was motivated by local officials in Steubenville. "They want to make an example of me, saying, 'You don't fcking come after us. Don't question us."

If convicted of hacking-related crimes, Lostutter could face up to 10 years behind bars—far more than the one- and two-year sentences doled out to the Steubenville rapists. Defending himself could end up costing a fortune—he's soliciting donations here. Still, he thinks getting involved was worth it. "I'd do it again," he says.


To sum it up: A man who didn't hack a stupid fan-page gets arrested by a SWAT team and faces potentially 10 years of prison for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act - which he didn't.
The rapists got 2 years.
 
To sum it up: A man who didn't hack a stupid fan-page gets arrested by a SWAT team and faces potentially 10 years of prison for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act - which he didn't.
The rapists got 2 years.

It may not seem initially fair on the face of it, but there's almost certainly more to things than a Mother Earth article would care to reveal. As a member of Anonymous, there's probably a whole grab bag of activities this guy is involved in - in addition to the Steubenville hacking.

Further, the two rapists were juveniles, while Deric Lostutter will be tried as an adult.
 
and lets not forget: rape is a virtue while whistleblowing is a crime in modern USA.
 
It may not seem initially fair on the face of it, but there's almost certainly more to things than a Mother Earth article would care to reveal. As a member of Anonymous, there's probably a whole grab bag of activities this guy is involved in - in addition to the Steubenville hacking.

Further, the two rapists were juveniles, while Deric Lostutter will be tried as an adult.

Guilt by association much? :mischief:

I think the penalties for digital grafitti are far too harsh - the sort of thing we'd expect to see if corporate interests controlled legislative policy.

Where actual harm against real people is seen as something relatively minor.

I agree that minors should not be held to the same standards of responsibility and punishment as adults, these potential sentences highlight the absurdity of some comparisons.
 
Good point. Any adult who is a member of Anonymous is obviously guilty of a multitude of crimes.

And one and two years is more than sufficient punishment for sexual assault when committed by a 16-year-old and a 17-year-old resepectively. They just don't know any better than to finger a drunk girl while posting her nude photos. :rolleyes:
 
If I recall correctly it wasn't immediately clear that rape actually occurred at Steubenville, although I could be confusing this with a different case and I don't remember the details if this was the right one...
 
and lets not forget: rape is a virtue while whistleblowing is a crime in modern USA.

A cynical and disingenuous remark. Noone here is justifying rape, while several appear to be justifying cybercrimes.

Guilt by association much? :mischief:

Suspicion by association much. Courts will determine guilt.

Good point. Any adult who is a member of Anonymous is obviously guilty of a multitude of crimes.

And one and two years is more than sufficient punishment for sexual assault when committed by a 16-year-old and a 17-year-old resepectively. They just don't know any better than to finger a drunk girl while posting her nude photos. :rolleyes:

Anyone who is a member of Anonymous may be suspected of a multitude of cybercrimes.

Juveniles are tried by juvenile law. There are legal limits as to what penalties the court may impose. These young men are also declared juvinal sex offenders. Deric Lostutter is an adult and will be tried as such. Different law, different penalties. Unfair comparison much?
 
To sum it up: A man who didn't hack a stupid fan-page gets arrested by a SWAT team and faces potentially 10 years of prison for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act - which he didn't.

Let's keep that word in mind here. As far as I can see the guy hasn't even been indicted yet (though, for what it's worth, he says the FBI told him he will be), let alone convicted and sentenced. In that context, the thread title looks like the kind of sensationalist-crap-thinly-disguised-with-a-question-mark I'd expect from a rag like the Daily Mail.

At this stage, the thing that strikes me as far more disturbing than any speculation about sentencing is the level of force the FBI apparently showed when introducing themselves. A twelve-man squad in riot gear armed with assault rifles? Is that standard practice for conducting a search and seizure? Or is it reserved for occasions when the authorities have some expectation of resistance?
 
Let's keep that word in mind here. As far as I can see the guy hasn't even been indicted yet (though, for what it's worth, he says the FBI told him he will be), let alone convicted and sentenced. In that context, the thread title looks like the kind of sensationalist-crap-thinly-disguised-with-a-question-mark I'd expect from a rag like the Daily Mail.

At this stage, the thing that strikes me as far more disturbing than any speculation about sentencing is the level of force the FBI apparently showed when introducing themselves. A twelve-man squad in riot gear armed with assault rifles? Is that standard practice for conducting a search and seizure? Or is it reserved for occasions when the authorities have some expectation of resistance?

Perhaps someone is telling a fib...
 
It's funny how the media assumes Anonymous is a real organisation. It's really much more of a movement,. a banner to rally under, than an organised group. There are proper hacker groups associating themselves with the monicker such as the infamous "Lulzsec" group, but there are just as many loners with their own agendas nestling under the term. Assuming they are all in conspiracy with each other is absurd.
 
Anyone who is a member of Anonymous may be suspected of a multitude of cybercrimes.
I guess that explains why the FBI overreacted in such a manner instead of simply knocking on his door. "Cybercrimes" are serious business. :rolleyes:

Juveniles are tried by juvenile law. There are legal limits as to what penalties the court may impose. These young men are also declared juvinal sex offenders. Deric Lostutter is an adult and will be tried as such. Different law, different penalties. Unfair comparison much?
You mean like the comparison between suspected of hacking a website with that of convicted sexual offender felons? That sort of "unfair comparison much"?
 
Glassfan said:
Suspicion by association much. Courts will determine guilt.

Anyone who is a member of Anonymous may be suspected of a multitude of cybercrimes.
Do you really think this? Do you think all members of the KKK should be suspected of arson and lynchings? Do you think all Crips should be suspected of dealing meth?

I don't.

And, for what it's worth, by not using your real name on an Internet forum you yourself belong to Anonymous. Welcome :) we won't bite, I promise! There's coffee, cookies (the eating kind), and a handy IRC channel available for your pleasure.







I guess that explains why the FBI overreacted in such a manner instead of simply knocking on his door. "Cybercrimes" are serious business. :rolleyes:
I hate the term cyber crime. It's wildly over-used, and encompasses minor discretions from digital loitering, trespassing, and defacement; up through breaking & entering, fraud, extortion, and assault.

It's far too broad of a term. We don't speak of 'meat-space crime' and include everything from cat calling through rape! Why do we use blanket propaganda terms like cyber crime?



You mean like the comparison between suspected of hacking a website with that of convicted sexual offender felons? That sort of "unfair comparison much"?[/QUOTE]
 
There are legal limits as to what penalties the court may impose. These young men are also declared juvinal sex offenders.
The Steubenville rapists got the minimum sentences for the crimes they were charged with (arguably there should have been a lot of additional charges anyway).
And if they will ever find entry into any sex offender registry at all is yet to be determined, afaik.
 
I have serious doubts as to the honesty of this article. The source seems bogus and there's no verification.

With that being said, assuming this guy is telling the whole and complete truth - which is a big ask of any hacker - then this is total bs. He doesn't deserve anything approaching the possible sentence, whereas the two rapists - yes, they were juveniles, but at 16 and 17 they knew what they were doing, it's not like they were 10 - deserved much harsher sentences.
 
I guess that explains why the FBI overreacted in such a manner...

We have only Mr. Lostutter's word that the FBI "overreacted". It may be an exageration.

Do you really think this? Do you think all members of the KKK should be suspected of arson and lynchings? Do you think all Crips should be suspected of dealing meth?

And, for what it's worth, by not using your real name on an Internet forum you yourself belong to Anonymous.

I think all the members of the KKK should be suspected of racism and bigotry. I would suspect the Crips to be violent and into drugs - it's their MO.

And while I may be anonymous on this particular forum, I'm not with Anonymous.

The Steubenville rapists got the minimum sentences for the crimes they were charged ...

So perhaps we should wait for Mr. Lostutter's actual (vs. possible) penalty (if any) before getting worked-up over the unfairness of it all.
 
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