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Rat 41 CCM - AW a first attempt
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What is the next tech? I seem to remember Clocks being mentioned. Do we want to head towards Ballistics? It looks to me like we are going to have to drastically reduce research after Theology.
ThERat
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Excellent round of turns.
This game keeps us all on the edge I guess, which is really nice. Vmxa, I don't mind you running an all nighter, then i could play on Sunday evening here
Anyway, as long as we don't lose more units than we produce we are fine.
How is our economy doing?
edit: I would head for ballistics next. We need hussars as soon as possible (and cavalry after that)
This game keeps us all on the edge I guess, which is really nice. Vmxa, I don't mind you running an all nighter, then i could play on Sunday evening here
Anyway, as long as we don't lose more units than we produce we are fine.
How is our economy doing?
edit: I would head for ballistics next. We need hussars as soon as possible (and cavalry after that)
I am not sure what the final scoop was in regards to Russia. They had 6 towns, excluding the newest. That means Rostov cannot be very far from Moscow. 4 adjacent and its size makes it an
early one.
Where did you see the battle with the Arabian char? Was it near the Cheju or the Rostov area? It is was close to Russia, then I would prefer to have pulled back from Rostov. Use some of those units to handle the choke and the rest to go on to Turks.
We really need to commit to one direction and the Russian front is the one with the most risk. Right now Nampo has only a few units and 2 more sittign out in front that could get run over.
early one.
Where did you see the battle with the Arabian char? Was it near the Cheju or the Rostov area? It is was close to Russia, then I would prefer to have pulled back from Rostov. Use some of those units to handle the choke and the rest to go on to Turks.
We really need to commit to one direction and the Russian front is the one with the most risk. Right now Nampo has only a few units and 2 more sittign out in front that could get run over.
I am about to watch a little TV with the boss, do you want to switch ThERat? Go ahead, if you do as I can play any time.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Heh. I played 'til 4am.
Let me know if you have any questions about the state of the empire
Economy was doing fine. We're running at close to -90gpt, but we still have over 2000 in the bank.
The Arabian chariot was 1S of the lone mountain SE of Cheju. A couple of turns later, another one showed up NE of Cheju (and got whacked
). They might actually be coming through Viking-land, come to think of it.I wasn't too worried about the stray units near Namp'o; I haven't seen much in the way of fast units from Russia, and I'd expect more of their attention to be focused on the Rostov stack. That said, the Rostov stack has taken some damage; another 2-3 Arquebusiers would help that front immensely.
Northern Pike
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Fine work, and prodigious Leader generation. 
I'm glad we advanced on Rostov, but I'm not sure that modest stack can do the business against a size-eleven city (equivalent to the size-seven threshold in C3C) which quite likely contains a castle. If the attacks there don't go well right away, we should probably fall back until we can spare some reinforcements for that front. The main thing is not to lose a stack with three monks in it.
That the Russians put Orenburg where they did is a very useful gift.
Pyongyang should be adjusted back to +10 food, which costs nothing.
I don't think we can afford anything other than a beeline to cav, meaning Renaissance next. In CCM and a fortiori in CCM AW we have to resist the urge to grab every building, to which we'd be yielding if we chose Clockworks and PP.
I'm glad we advanced on Rostov, but I'm not sure that modest stack can do the business against a size-eleven city (equivalent to the size-seven threshold in C3C) which quite likely contains a castle. If the attacks there don't go well right away, we should probably fall back until we can spare some reinforcements for that front. The main thing is not to lose a stack with three monks in it.
That the Russians put Orenburg where they did is a very useful gift.
Pyongyang should be adjusted back to +10 food, which costs nothing.
I don't think we can afford anything other than a beeline to cav, meaning Renaissance next. In CCM and a fortiori in CCM AW we have to resist the urge to grab every building, to which we'd be yielding if we chose Clockworks and PP.
Northern Pike
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Well, we might have just enough strength on that front to take Rostov, but hardly to advance beyond that. So basically we're committed to the north.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Oh, another thing to note: MM Venice before ending the turn. I cycled through all the cities before saving, but now I just started up Civ3 and CAII to play a solo game, and CAII is pointed at the Rat41 save "Venice is about to riot."
ThERat
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vmxa, take your time to play. I can also play tomorrow, no biggie.
That is what I was thinking head for Ballistic, so Reniassance is next up. I spotted Venice. BTW we have 1772 gold. I just keep thinking about those chariots going into battle with their 3 attack that it would be better, if they could be upgraded to knights.
I moved the pop to a 4 food tile, rather than the 3 food in Pyangyong.
The stack at Rostov is not real strong for attacking a city.
2/5 AC
2/5 arq
4/4 bombarde
5/5 cat
5/5 char
5/5 slaver
4/4 slaver
5/5 knight
3/3 monks x3
5/5 Nampo?
4/6 WE
So a bunch of no defense here. If they attack the stack pretty much any fight will be a loss, save maybe the knight. On offense it is only boasting maybe 4 strong attackers, with enslavers and monks about half the offensive units.
The lone defenser is down to 2hp.
I moved the pop to a 4 food tile, rather than the 3 food in Pyangyong.
The stack at Rostov is not real strong for attacking a city.
2/5 AC
2/5 arq
4/4 bombarde
5/5 cat
5/5 char
5/5 slaver
4/4 slaver
5/5 knight
3/3 monks x3
5/5 Nampo?
4/6 WE
So a bunch of no defense here. If they attack the stack pretty much any fight will be a loss, save maybe the knight. On offense it is only boasting maybe 4 strong attackers, with enslavers and monks about half the offensive units.
The lone defenser is down to 2hp.
The knight is in fact on the top of the stack, it would be an even weaker attacking crew, unless no one hits us on the IBT. Going to put it things off till morning as I want to be more alert than I am right now.
Been playing Moo1 this afternoon, so I need to get that out of my mind and not make any misclicks or other dumb things.
Been playing Moo1 this afternoon, so I need to get that out of my mind and not make any misclicks or other dumb things.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Hmm, I had the idea that gold was a bit higher than that. OTOH, I've been spending it on short-rushing as more fronts open up.
The Rostov stack's defender got hit hard by a Treb while it was moving into position. It might actually be worth it to withdraw that stack until another 4-6 Knights and 2-3 Arquebusiers can be added to it.
In hindsight, I probably should have left that stack at Namp'o. OTOH, I had no way of knowing Rostov would be that tough-looking. Besides, the Russians haven't been sending much in the way of attackers, so hopefully the lack of strong defenders won't be a big problem for that stack. Hopefully.
The Rostov stack's defender got hit hard by a Treb while it was moving into position. It might actually be worth it to withdraw that stack until another 4-6 Knights and 2-3 Arquebusiers can be added to it.
In hindsight, I probably should have left that stack at Namp'o. OTOH, I had no way of knowing Rostov would be that tough-looking. Besides, the Russians haven't been sending much in the way of attackers, so hopefully the lack of strong defenders won't be a big problem for that stack. Hopefully.
ThERat
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I'd say leave southern Russia alone and concentrate full force on Turkey. Taking that new lone Russian city will gain us 10 turns research I estimate. Carthage has a lot of cash and if we can take Turkey and then advance on Indochina, we will eventually be able to milk Carthage.
I rather we focus our offense and defend the south.
I rather we focus our offense and defend the south.
Northern Pike
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Yes, not attacking Rostov would be fine.
I haven't examined every stack, but I believe the only chariots we have left are elite.
I haven't examined every stack, but I believe the only chariots we have left are elite.
M60A3TTS
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Agreed, hold on the russian front for now. It helps keep us focused.
Ok, got up early so will get started on this set. At this point I would not send out any stacks to attack cities that does not have at least 2 top defenders (4) and 1 or 2 second tier
defenders (3).
Three top defenders is better, as you saw they hit the stack and now you have no defenders. With strong defenders the stack has a chance to move into position and not be attacked on the way to its target.
If the stack was mostly knights and a single arq, that would not be too bad as they are not weak, but char/enslavers/monks/ac and maybe even WE are weak defenders at this stage and weak attackers (maybe not the WE) against most units in a city.
I am a fan of elite units, but I am not fanatical about them. IOW a 5/5 char has limited value right now to me. It can cherry pick weak or damged units from towns that it can get back and recover or no other units are there to counter them.
They are not much in the open field in hostile lands. It figures to take damage and not be able to fight for several turns, IF it wins. That is fine in Venice, not so fine on the road to Rostov or other towns in hostile territory.
A knight is more likely to win and less likey to take a lot of damage. It will soon be elite, to me I would not take chars on the road. Leave them where they have better odds.
Later knights will fall into this category as we face stronger units with defense 5 or 6.
defenders (3).
Three top defenders is better, as you saw they hit the stack and now you have no defenders. With strong defenders the stack has a chance to move into position and not be attacked on the way to its target.
If the stack was mostly knights and a single arq, that would not be too bad as they are not weak, but char/enslavers/monks/ac and maybe even WE are weak defenders at this stage and weak attackers (maybe not the WE) against most units in a city.
I am a fan of elite units, but I am not fanatical about them. IOW a 5/5 char has limited value right now to me. It can cherry pick weak or damged units from towns that it can get back and recover or no other units are there to counter them.
They are not much in the open field in hostile lands. It figures to take damage and not be able to fight for several turns, IF it wins. That is fine in Venice, not so fine on the road to Rostov or other towns in hostile territory.
A knight is more likely to win and less likey to take a lot of damage. It will soon be elite, to me I would not take chars on the road. Leave them where they have better odds.
Later knights will fall into this category as we face stronger units with defense 5 or 6.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Sorry, guys. I really shouldn't have skimped on defenders for the Rostov stack.
No need to be in suspence on Rostov area:
IBT:
nothing much, except I spotted at least 2 blue chars go past Rostov toward Cheju.
(1) 1270AD:
first battle the e/cat kills defender and makes a leader, yahoo (1-0).
bombadre kills spear (2-0).
e/treb retreats form spear.
e/knight kills spear (3-0).
4/6 WE kills LB and we take Rostov for 711 gold (4-0).
2 Russian workers in the town as well.
Rustov has a market and a castle still. I rush Windmill, rather than a fort or academy.
Bomb off a monk and spot 3 Arab chars.
Enslaver tubes it on LB (4-1).
e/slaver kills the LB (5-1).
e/char kills LB (6-1). Spot another Arab char.
That is it for me an Russia for now. Will need to get up some mor defenders there, before more can be done. That will not be in my turn set, I would expect.
IBT:
nothing much, except I spotted at least 2 blue chars go past Rostov toward Cheju.
(1) 1270AD:
first battle the e/cat kills defender and makes a leader, yahoo (1-0).
bombadre kills spear (2-0).
e/treb retreats form spear.
e/knight kills spear (3-0).
4/6 WE kills LB and we take Rostov for 711 gold (4-0).
2 Russian workers in the town as well.
Rustov has a market and a castle still. I rush Windmill, rather than a fort or academy.
Bomb off a monk and spot 3 Arab chars.
Enslaver tubes it on LB (4-1).
e/slaver kills the LB (5-1).
e/char kills LB (6-1). Spot another Arab char.
That is it for me an Russia for now. Will need to get up some mor defenders there, before more can be done. That will not be in my turn set, I would expect.
ThERat, I am keeping an eye on the thread so I wanted to see what the deal is for you. I am only starting my 4th turn. Lots of interuptions and will probably watch some tube with the boss lady later.
So if you were keen on playing tonight give a cutoff time and I can post the progress. Otherwise I will play on and see if I can finish tonight or tomorrow. I am fine either way.
So if you were keen on playing tonight give a cutoff time and I can post the progress. Otherwise I will play on and see if I can finish tonight or tomorrow. I am fine either way.
