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No I didn't. What gives you that idea? I haven't read the last 2 pages of the forum

The map from IOT, where Ravus stole it from was what I was referring too.

Cull, this is off topic, but why do you make your sig so rascist?

To highlight the fact that nobody how great people seem, even one as honored as JFK, they have their faults, esp. compared to today's time, and our idea of normal and humane. It is not true my any means, and I would have to be a hypocritical fool to even begin to believe it, coming from a minority in the USA.
 
That made no sense but i have to nitpick here: JFK is only honored because he was killed, and because he started a space program.
 
And not for his Cold War-esque foriegn policy, spanning the world, Cuba included, as well as cutting back on tight fiscal policies, his attempts at civil rights(although mostly conducted by others) despite his probably internal racism? How about the fact that he is oft considered the translation from the old to the new, with his sheer charm?
 
Stop the spam. Seriously. If you guys want to discuss this go to OT or something. Just don't do it here.
 
And MN, if we punish these soldiers, then we set the precedent that we will not deal with future terrorist organizations. The copperheads have committed actions against our country before, and we have failed to label them terrorists, which may explain the lack of action against them. But should we punbish those who take the iniative against an organization that has had violent tenbdencies in the recent past, then we give the image that we will tolerate terrorist actions against us.

Actually, I think that we did label them terrorists, and LH was going to do some narrations, then that didn't happen, and it all got retconned and confused, so, honestly, I've been pretty confused on what Copperhead actions have been canon and which were wiped away. I was under the impression that their most violent acts got retconned into oblivion.

With that in mind, Lighthearter had made it pretty clear that, if left alone, the Copperheads would lose all popular support and just fade away. Yes, I can understand the desire to punish them for the trouble they've caused, but I don't feel that it was strictly necessary. The reason why these soldiers need to be held accountable (and I'm not asking for more than an official demerit and maybe 100 laps :p) is because they disregarded a standing order to leave the Copperheads alone, and because their actions caused a relatively benign situation to spiral out of control until it reached armed rebellion. Yes, the soldiers intentions were good, but that doesn't mean that their actions were smart, and it certainly doesn't mean that they had no part to play in what transpired afterwards.

Everything below this relates to the next Plan
Now, as regarding the plan of action for the second half of my term.

It's more of the same, more or less, except that I have decided to build the Taj Mahal. Cull will be assisting us, as will a new Great Prophet that was born in London. Our Prophet and Great Spy will be used to launch another Golden Age. Not only is the Golden Age awesome, but it should speed up the Taj, so, if my calculations are right, it should finish a turn or two after this Golden Age ends, giving us our third Golden Age in 30 turns.

If this doesn't help us catch up, I don't know what will.

I'm aware that using our Great Spy in this way means we can't use him to keep tabs on our enemies, but since he's located the main stack, we can build a couple of normal spies to handle tracking duties, and maybe even a Caravel, if we get Optics, because they can enter hostile territory without Open Borders.

Tech Plan is to finish Military Tradition, then Gunpowder for Musketmen and Cuirassiers, and then, if available, Economics to try for the free Great Merchant (not sure what to do, either trade mission or settle in Ravus-York), and then Printing Press, with the plan to head into Replaceable Parts and Rifling for Redcoats!

Getting some Catapults elsewhere wouldn't be a bad idea, but I'm not sure how many other cities we have available. Arya-Kent, perhaps. Cull-Norwich could do Catapults, but then it would not be available for Missionaries (Setia is on Missionary duty, but it can't build them very fast). On the plus side, two more Golden Ages should let us get a lot of critical infrastructure in place, such as Stock Exchanges (Banks) and Universities, and should help pull us into tech parity or even lead (we seem to be catching up).
 
Well sounds good. Im assuming it has already been sent? If not, please send it now. LH has already been issued a warning by me to get an update done and posted by the mroning OR ELSE. So dont make it your fault if he fails to do so :p.

On the copperheads, i believe that they have had several violent actions that were not retconned. For example, the funeral riot, the raid on the armor convoy in wales, and just causing trouble in general. By reprimanding them or worse we are saying that we do not aprove of iniative, and thats one of the things i absolutly cant tolerate. We need iniative, as shown during your first term.

I still hold on to my demand that they are fully and officially pardxoned before they are let go. I do not wish to hold them 'captive', but i do not want them to be treated badly by the government for doing the right thing. Their actions allowed the copperheads to assemble in one place, and finally be wiped out. Remember, they have families waiting for them, and the admin is the one standing in the way of them going home. Do the right thing for once and pardon people who took the iniative and ended a great potential threat to our nation. I would actually ask they be given some leave, and their commander be promoted due to their actions, but i will settle for them being pardoned.
 
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We did well this turnset. The Arabs tried to sucker us into a war with Russia after they were narrowly beaten by Asoka in the Apostolic Palace elections, But we chose not to give in. Ilduce the Great Merchant and MathNerd the great Scientist are awaiting orders at the Channel. We had 3, count 'em, three Golden Ages, can support an 80% research rate while gaining, and have rebuilt our army. We are still top of the score list - in fact we're high enough that Ragnar can't catch us unless we screw up beyond all belief. We have Gunpowder, but Ragnar does as well, though Peter does not.

The KRF has ambushed a Russian supply convoy in Northern Ireland today, seizing almost 300 tons of foodstuffs and Russian weapons. They used Viking-style weapons themselves in the robbery, obviously stolen from Ragnar's troops in the campaign . . . .

In other news, Kublai Khan is purportedly sheltering in the estate of Lord Captain Fargle.

ELECTIONS ARE NOW OPEN! PM ME YOUR COALITIONS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, AND OTHER INFORMATIONAL PIECES! WE WILL CLOSE UP ON SATURDAY.

- Lighthearter
 
We had 3, count 'em, three Golden Ages

All I have to say is: Just as planned.

I'd like to see any other President make that claim! :mwaha:

As my final act as president, I grant an official pardon of wrongdoing to the soldiers involved in the Copperhead riots. While I still do not agree with their actions, I do not want them held captive over this issue, nor do I want to pass this issue on to the next president.
 
Impressive. But i do have one HUGE poblem here:

WHY THE !F!U*C!K! WAS MY OFFICE CLEANED OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT LEAVING ONLY A NOTE EXPLAINING WE WERE MOVING THE CAPITAL TO ROME, THE FORMER CAPITAL OF OUR ENEMIES??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Sorry for the profanity. Just a little pissed off whosit did this without so much as telling parliament. He could have at least told us in advance that we were moving!
 
All I have to say is: Just as planned.

I'd like to see any other President make that claim! :mwaha:

As my final act as president, I grant an official pardon of wrongdoing to the soldiers involved in the Copperhead riots. While I still do not agree with their actions, I do not want them held captive over this issue, nor do I want to pass this issue on to the next president.

I guess i have to thank President whosit for this act, and i have now given the order (OOC: Im giving this to you right here right now LH) for the men to be released, with letters of commendation signed by the jokers party. If you ever need a job, you will always be welcome with us.

Ill take up that bet whosit. 4 Golden ages coming right up! All i have to do is get into presidency...
 
Impressive. But i do have one HUGE poblem here:

WHY THE !F!U*C!K! WAS MY OFFICE CLEANED OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT LEAVING ONLY A NOTE EXPLAINING WE WERE MOVING THE CAPITAL TO ROME, THE FORMER CAPITAL OF OUR ENEMIES??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Sorry for the profanity. Just a little pissed off whosit did this without so much as telling parliament. He could have at least told us in advance that we were moving!

I didn't do this! It doesn't even make any sense. :confused: If we were moving the capital, I don't think I would pick Rome, either. Honestly, having seen the city screens from this past term, our maintenance wasn't that bad on a city-by-city basis, and Rome seems kind of vulnerable, being on the edge of our territory and all.

Edit: Wow, I didn't even notice the move from the screen shots. Umm... I know I didn't order that. Who besides the President has the authority to do that? On the plus side, moving one's capital into recently captured territory often helps with the integration process....

Ill take up that bet whosit. 4 Golden ages coming right up! All i have to do is get into presidency...

Um, you do realize that you would have to generate, um, 3+4+5+6 = 18 Great People within 30 turns to get 4 more Golden Ages, right?
 
Well, that was, quick. Didn't really expect it to fly by so fast.

Wow, three golden ages? I'm lucky if I only get one every few eras. Anyways, seems to have done some good to our economy.

Alright, first question: how many units are in that stack next to Cumae?

Second: Did one of our ships hit the New world, or did one of Lincoln's boats show up off the Scottish coast?

LH, what happened? Why does the House of Commons now overlook the Pantheon?
 
Whosit when your arya, if you want to do something then you resort to opposition actions, and shady dealings with the GM to find a way to get it done. Trust me, ill find a way.

On the capital- The who the hell ordered LH TO MOVE IT??? Oh i bet LH took the iniative and thought he was helping...

LH if you did its alright, just can we get an explanation? And maybe move it back?
 
I approve of the overall term; I see we also have cuirassiers, as well as rebuilding our army. Too bad we didnt get a power graph, Id like to know how we compare to our enemies and occupiers.

The capital in Rome is odd, but I feel it has a certain symbolic value.
 
I vote for the jokers, and hold the second in reserve.
 
Here's what I think happened with the capital movement. When we annexed Rome, LH had to do it with WB, by making the city of Rome our territory. Rome had a Palace in it, so when it became ours, it became our capital city (when using WB, if you put a Palace in two cities, the most recent one becomes the capital). This can be corrected simply by removing the Palace in Rome and adding it to London.

Three golden ages? If one was started by the Taj, and one was started by a GP, that means the third was started by two GPs, right? I can't help but think there could have been better uses for those two...but what has happened has happened and the GAs have certainly helped.
 
My bet as to who ordered the switch in capitals:

1: Ravus
2: Captain Athers

My bet as to why Carthage has such a fractured empire? Mansa Musa did spawn and Hannibal killed him. Then again, the Sahara is completely useless land so who knows.

Now, with regards to elections.

I'd like to announce my intentions of running for President on the platform of taking the British Isles from those damn pickle-faced Russkies.

My first vote is for the PPP obviously. My second vote is being held in reserve.


PM me if you want to make coalition negotiations.


EDIT: Oh, a WB screw up. Ah well, Rome is a nice city anyway. We'll just build Versailles/The Forbidden Palace in London and that'll sort things out.
 
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