Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[mechaerik]

AFAIK, Carthage is no threat to us. We have to take the fight to Norden. I heavily agree we should go for the capital. That will both remove one of Ragnars most developed cities AND strike a blow to their pride.

We must consider what we do after Nidaros falls. Do we continue with our attack, pushing north? Or do we dig in at Nidaros and begin an attack on Poland? With the number of soldiers in Nidaros, any fight to capture it will need a large commitment of troops; we may not be able to fight on another front while we are trying to capture Nidaros.

 

[ilduce349]

Carthage has been a good trading partner with us

But now that we are mercantile we have no foreign trade

Think about what we have to gain and what we have to lose, and most importantly, think about what is the greatest threat to us right now. Wars rarely strengthen a civilization immediately, so back-to-back wars can be costly. Just think carefully about what is best.

I see your point, however if they are significantly weaker then us and this war is easy, its worth considering. The main risk of a war against Carthage is the GM his us with a horrifying issue about the war.

 

[ilduce349]

@mech: We (will) have redcoats. They will barely have muskets. We can easily fight a main front and have a concentrated force at Nidros

 

[ilduce349]

@Mech: As your the only one online, I ask you to get on chat

 

[W|M]

There's a little button called 'edit post', you know.

 

[Whosit]

But now that we are mercantile we have no foreign trade.

Technology trades, not trade route trades. He is willing to trade technologies with us, which is pretty important. He's one of the very few willing to trade technologies with us.

Edit: There are also very few gains. We'll have more cities, which is good in the long run, but in the short run, this means more maintenance and more cities to defend, spreading our army out even further.

 

[ilduce349]

In that case, take his capital and the vassal him. Or not fight at all.

 

[Whosit]

Or not fight at all.

This is probably the best choice. I rarely find that vassals are useful techers. Carthage's capital is probably Hannibal's best city, anyway.

Again, the current greatest threat to us is the Buddhist alliance, and send our army south does not really help prepare us to do battle with them. Keep in mind: Ragnar is teching up, too. We won't have a huge window of opportunity for the Rifles, so a war with Carthage or anyone else just gives Ragnar more time to get better troops himself.

 

[Celticfury]

In my opinion, we shouldn't be fighting Carthage at all. It would be to much of a hassle, and there is a good chance that the rest of the Buddhist block would take an invasion of Carthage as an excuse to attack us. Also, everything Whosit said.

So now the questions remains; once we have Rifling, do we plan to make war with the Vikings, and if so, how?

 

[ilduce349]

Carthage is buddhist, and please towards Peter

 

[Whosit]

So now the questions remains; once we have Rifling, do we plan to make war with the Vikings, and if so, how?

With Rifles!

We probably need to get Astronomy next, which is fine, 'cuz it gives us time to build more troops/upgrade. Astronomy gives us Galleons, which carry... 3 troops. I still think of Civ III with transport ships. Anyway. We could make due with Galleys, but we'd need more.

In any case, ship over a couple of Rifles, probably with combat promotions, and the siege. Combat Rifles keep siege stack safe while we ship over everything, wearing down the city defenses, until our whole army is there and we can attack. The fact that we don't have a direct land route is tricky, but it is easily surmountable with a little planning.

 

[Cull]

I would say not pre-premote, but the difference is a little.

 

[Whosit]

I would say not pre-premote, but the difference is a little.

If you're talking about Maceman > Rifleman, you have to pre-promote. Promoted units keep any promotions they already have, but once a Rifleman, it can only get Rifleman promotions, and City Raider is not one of them.

 

[Cull]

I meant built Riflemen. Ideally, we would not promote them until they reach Norse grounds.

 

[Aysee]

I vote for IngSoc!

I believe that we should go for steel for teh cannons. Then we establish a beachhead in Norway, thus being able to launch a strike on Nidaros. After Nidaros, I believe we should move upwards, taking out Ragnar's backbone. Dig in in Germany, Poland is not our concern ATM.
But this is after we get basic infra in and MILITARIZE a LOT. It might not happen in the next turnset, but it will happen sometime.

I support the industrialization plan. However, doing so runs the risk of us turning into a "garrison state", so to speak, so I propose a combination of science and industrialization. After researching rifling and steel, we grab some science techs. (Astro, Chem, Sci Meth, Steam)

I believe we should move the capital to RY, as its the most devleoped city in the center of our empire.

GPs should be settled, IMO.

 

[arya126]

CAPITAL SHOULD NOT BE MOVED TO RY! The only thing it has is commerce. A capital should be balanced. If we really ahd to change it (we shouldnt anyway, the difference is minimal) then either Antium or Cumae would be best. But London is still the best capital city in our empire.

 

[Gruekiller]

I vote for IngSoc.

Also, what? Was war declared? If not, why are we talking about this?

 

[mechaerik]

I also vote for IngSoc.

I heavily support a militaristic tech path.

 

[Aysee]

So you mean you want the Industrial-Rifling path?

I personally think that we should pick up Chemistry-Astro-Sci Meth sometimes.
Chemistry is a prerequisite for steel, Astronomy gives us galleons--but obsoletes stonehenge; Sci Meth opens up so many possiblities.

 

[Celticfury]

I vote for IngSoc.

Also, what? Was war declared? If not, why are we talking about this?

War hasn't been declared, but as it is a distinct possibility, people are discussing what to do if war does come about. Which is actually good, since if we already have some type of plan in place, then we won't be bumbling around in the dark.

Edit: I was thinking more of a Astro-Chem-Sci Meth, since Galleons will probably have more immediate use.