Rebalance of 2/3 of all civs in April!

[Gradac]

I am of the opinion that vast majority of them will be older made civs and that they will be boosted (and tweaked) in a way of more recent developed civilizations, to have more interesting details in gameplay, so that Rome ("not so fun and powerful") and Vietnam/Gran Colombia (all opposite of Rome) can become more equal.

 

[DefiantMars]

Killing a unit in range of a tlachtli could grant a boost of faith or culture. It wouldn't be a game changer but it sounds appropriate.

I've seen similar suggestions on the r/Civ subreddit and I agree. It doesn't need to be insane, just some conditional yield to make building it worthwhile. You need to build an Entertainment Complex (which thankfully are a bit more worthwhile now) and then an Arena replacement. I don't think the +2 Faith and +1 G.General point is quite worth the opportunity and production cost. Even taking into account that the Aztecs can use the CA to rush out an Entertainment Complex... you're still rushing an Entertainment Complex.

To bring this UI talk back around to Georgia. The Tsikhe. Just... why? At the very least, I feel like they should replace Medieval Walls rather than Renaissance Walls. Make the Tsikhe more impactful and maybe give Tamar G.Prophet points from walls and I think Georgia would feel very good.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

To bring this UI talk back around to Georgia. The Tsikhe. Just... why? At the very least, I feel like they should replace Medieval Walls rather than Renaissance Walls. Make the Tsikhe more impactful and maybe give Tamar G.Prophet points from walls and I think Georgia would feel very good.

Wouldn't Great Prophet points probably come too late?
What about it granting diplo favor? Not sure about the reasoning, from a historical standpoint, but I can't think of anything better.

 

[The Civs 6]

Instead of giving a Civ like Georgia powers that make it great in the 4x sense, it would be cool if they were enhanced in a way that they could be a viable small civ. I dunno how you would balance that but hey they don't pay me the big bucks do to that

 

[Linklite]

I'm actually saddened by this. I know it's needed but it definitely sounds like a capstone, a "we've finished doing the building work, so now to go back and smooth the rough edges" job. It's possible that it's just mid point one, but I'm doubtful. Looking at the schedule for Civ V, it's time for new content to finish and now we have a 3 year wait for Civ VII.

It also sounds like we'll get the free update next month (anyone know anything about that yet?), the paid content drop in March, then this touch up instead of a free game mode in April, and after that...finished until 2023ish.

 

[UWHabs]

I'd love to see them buff like half the civs in the game all at once by making UB half price like UD are half price. Instant win for a ton of civs.

Instead of giving a Civ like Georgia powers that make it great in the 4x sense, it would be cool if they were enhanced in a way that they could be a viable small civ. I dunno how you would balance that but hey they don't pay me the big bucks do to that

They would have been a nice civ to give a bonus like Ethiopia's bonus yields from faith. If you don't want to duplicate, you could give them something like "+5% to all yields for each level of wall" as an added bonuses for building up walls.

 

[anonxanemone]

I'm actually saddened by this. I know it's needed but it definitely sounds like a capstone, a "we've finished doing the building work, so now to go back and smooth the rough edges" job. It's possible that it's just mid point one, but I'm doubtful. Looking at the schedule for Civ V, it's time for new content to finish and now we have a 3 year wait for Civ VII.

It also sounds like we'll get the free update next month (anyone know anything about that yet?), the paid content drop in March, then this touch up instead of a free game mode in April, and after that...finished until 2023ish.

Still hoping for additional civilization DLC's after the April update... I want to see so many other civs be part of this amazing game!

 

[DefiantMars]

Wouldn't Great Prophet points probably come too late?
What about it granting diplo favor? Not sure about the reasoning, from a historical standpoint, but I can't think of anything better.

Probably. I'm just trying to figure out on-flavor ways to help get some of the Religious civs rolling without copying existing ones too much. Short of giving them a chunk of point whenever they build one, Walls might be a bad call, but I figure that any Great Prophet points they do get would at least be converted into Faith which Tamar's LA could boost.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Make Georgia great again. Or maybe it's make Georgia great for the first time. Scythia sucks too, though the light cavalry bonus is pretty good.

Georgia... I'd love to see them buffed. Though firaxis don't have a great track record for buffing them... Not for lack of trying

Georgia are already moderately strong. The illusion that Georgia are weak just exists in your heads. Walls are OP and they have the best walls in the game.

Though I would like an indirect buff that makes Dark Ages worse and Golden Ages stronger. Alas, that already exists as a game mode.


As for the buffs I'd like to see:
Yes, buffing the HORRIBLE leader abilities of Peter and Billiemina should be top priorities #1 and #2.
Lautaro's ability should be altered so his loyalty reduction doesn't istantly vanish OR cripple his army.
Some of the vanilla tile improvements, especially the Kurgans should be reworked.
Tomyris's LA should once again apply to religious units (why they took that away, I'll never understand)

I'd also like to see Gran Colombia and Babylon nerfed, tyvm.

While nor a buff or a nerf, I'd like to see them alter some of Korea's abilities, just to make them more fun to play.

 

[anonxanemone]

I'm anticipating that the April update will update the civs to expand their abilities beyond what game mechanics was available at the time of their introduction. So much has changed since Vanilla!

 

[8housesofelixir]

Georgia are already moderately strong. The illusion that Georgia are weak just exists in your heads. Walls are OP and they have the best walls in the game.

IMHO the so-called "weakness" of Georgia is the fact that their toolkit is neither leading to any specific Victories nor being a strong generalist.

The current Georgia is definitely not weak, but also not strong at "wining" a game because of the reasons above.

 

[The googles do nothing]

I'm not worried about balance so much as I'm worried about making some civs more fun to play. I'll take a weak-but-fun civ over a balanced-but-boring civ any day.

I would not say weak, rather mot OP.

I'd love to see them buff like half the civs in the game all at once by making UB half price like UD are half price. Instant win for a ton of civs.

I would like UB (and UI sometimes ) to offset the opportunity cost of building a 'better' district/improvement. For example if the Stave Church gave GG points instead of GP points.

 

[Archon_Wing]

Nice, am more interested in this than anything else.

 

[iammaxhailme]

I just want to be able to polder marsh again. Please let me relive my William "Fancy clown pants" the Silent days of yore.

Well I do actually still play civ 5 sometimes so maybe I'll just go do that...

Serious answer: Some things I'd especially like to see buffed are stepwells, becuase (Gandhi's) India really fits the kind of playstyle I like, but stepwells are pretty useless. I'd also like to see Kurgans updated to give tourism from faith when you get flight, like Colossal Heads do.

 

[DefiantMars]

Georgia are already moderately strong. The illusion that Georgia are weak just exists in your heads. Walls are OP and they have the best walls in the game.

Though I would like an indirect buff that makes Dark Ages worse and Golden Ages stronger. Alas, that already exists as a game mode.


As for the buffs I'd like to see:
Yes, buffing the HORRIBLE leader abilities of Peter and Billiemina should be top priorities #1 and #2.
Lautaro's ability should be altered so his loyalty reduction doesn't istantly vanish OR cripple his army.
Some of the vanilla tile improvements, especially the Kurgans should be reworked.
Tomyris's LA should once again apply to religious units (why they took that away, I'll never understand)

I'd also like to see Gran Colombia and Babylon nerfed, tyvm.

While nor a buff or a nerf, I'd like to see them alter some of Korea's abilities, just to make them more fun to play.

I can get behind the other points. However, I am somewhat confused about the logic of how Peter needs to be buffed when Russia is already so strong, but Tamar is okay as is. I don't disagree that The Grand Embassy is very sad, but Mother Russia and the Lavra are both very powerful.

So I don't see why Tamar is disqualified from being improved if Peter can.

Georgia's Strength in Unity is great, there is no denying that. I draw issue with how the Tsikhe comes in relatively late and gets outmoded a bit too soon for my liking. And Tamar doesn't have a means to get her religion reliably yet wants one and needs to declare a specific war type to get her other bonus. That's the part that isn't fun in my opinion.

All I really want to see out of Georgia is making the Tsikhe come in earlier and any kind of jumpstart to her Leader Ability. Anything else would just be icing.

Similarly, I don't have much issue with Spain's Treasure Fleet or Mission. The Conquistador could probably do with a small tweak, but Philip's El Escorial is too narrow a playstyle in my opinion especially with Byzantium running around now.

 

[Lord Lakely]

"Strength in Unity' is actually the weakest part of Georgia's ability :3 their real strength lies in cheap walls which allows them to get away with a weaker army early on, prod you can instead invest into an extra builder or settler. You defend on attrition until you can build the Grandmaster's Chapel, then faith-buy an army with your massive Faith Economy, stomp over the peons with your critical mass of an army. Their extra envoys and protectorate war faith yields synergize really well with this. Establishing a strong economy is imperative, hence why it's a good idea to prioritize Harbors and Comm Hubs as Georgia. With religions being easier to found, you can boost your science or culture with the necessary tenets (I forget what they're called but the one that gives 1 science for every x followers is amazing here, as is Work Ethic)

But sure, being able to chain Golden Ages isn't worthless. Never having to worry about Loyalty pressure is a huge boon when you're a religious warmonger, but this comes on top of the groundwork already laid by cheaper walls and faith econ.

As far as The Grand Embassy goes, pair it with a nerf for the lavra to balance Russia out a bit. If the Lavra gave only Great Writer Points and came with a slot for Literature in every building, they would still be strong, but not longer dominant. Russia would no longer be hogging GWAMs and forced to spam Theatre Squares everywhere. Peter getting more Artists and Musicians from foreign trade routes if he's ahead in science and culture makes sense to moi.

 

[DefiantMars]

"Strength in Unity' is actually the weakest part of Georgia's ability :3 their real strength lies in cheap walls which allows them to get away with a weaker army early on, prod you can instead invest into an extra builder or settler. You defend until you can build the Grandmaster's Chapel, then faith-buy your army with your massive Faith Economy, stop over the peons. Their extra envoys and protectorate war faith yields synergize really well with this.

But sure, being able to chain Golden Ages isn't worthless. Never having to worry about Loyalty pressure is a huge boon when you're a religious warmonger, but this comes on top of the groundwork already laid by cheaper walls and faith econ.

The bonus production to walls comes FROM Strength in Unity. It's not part of Tamar's LA. As I've already stated, Tamar's Casus Belli focused effect, no bonus to Great Prophet points and the lateness of the Unique Wall are the parts that bug me about Georgia.

As far as The Grand Embassy goes, pair it with a nerf for the lavra to balance Russia out a bit. If the Lavra gave only Great Writer Points and came with a slot for Literature in every building, they would still be strong, but not longer dominant. Russia would no longer be hogging GWAMs and forced to spam Theatre Squares everywhere. Peter getting more Artists and Musicians from foreign trade routes if he's ahead in science and culture makes sense to moi.

Phrased like that, those Russia changes sounds reasonable to me.

 

[Pietato]

95% of the changes will be for England.

 

[Lord Lakely]

The bonus production to walls comes FROM Strength in Unity. It's not part of Tamar. As I've already stated, Tamar's Casus Belli focused effect, no bonus to Great Prophet points and the lateness of the Unique Wall are the parts that bug me about Georgia.

That's true, pardon me. Tamar's bonuses could get an overhaul, to make her ability easier to use. Maybe a boost to passive religious spread to City States specifically, to help her get envoys in more easily?

 

[Pietato]

I am hoping for changes to things like:

- Badly scaling trade route bonuses
- France, who are blank without their leader
- Flood Plains appeal for Egypt
- Khmer