Religious Extremist calls for Execution of many Americans, many moderates silent

[Agent327]

even the righteous are sinners in God's eyes.

Really?

The righteous are still sinner. Peter explained that "Lot vexed his righteous soul", meaning his behaviour was what it shouldn't have been.

Interesting interpretation, I'm sure. I mostly see a righteous soul in that soundbite. Being of a righteous nature does not prevent one's soul from becoming vexed by misfortune.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

For those who latch onto the notion that hate speech is wrong, the concept of God should not be that hard to grasp.

So because I think hate speech is wrong and I approve of my country's hate speech laws, even though they prevent me from venting my anger on certain issues in public, that means that I should "grasp" the "concept" of God?

Some of the most bigoted, prejudiced people I have ever known are the same people who insist they are Christians, yet they see nothing wrong with standing up in public and ranting about how evil gay people are, or writing awful letters to the editor about immigrants, gays, or whichever minority group of people they hate. My Christian mother once pulled up to a gas station, and the first words out of her mouth to a very shocked teenage attendant were, "Is this gas station owned by white people?"

Hate speech is tied to the notion that it either hurts another person's feelings thousands of miles away, or there is the potential it could result in harmful actions.

Hate speech can be as local as the next door neighbors, if they happen to be "other" than you are.

Hate speech is annoying, but it is a natural way to express ones point of view. Humans who think they can change human nature may think that they can replace God, or even do away with Him, are also faced with the task of eradicating humanity as well.

I'd call inciting people to kill others as more than "annoying."

It's very easy to throw up one's hands and say, "Well, there's this part of the human brain that's still not evolved enough to keep us from violence, hate, selfishness, and lots of other negative stuff, so why fight it?"

The thing is, humans do have the ability to override that. We need to teach ourselves and our descendants to have the will to follow through. And that's not eradicating humanity. I see it as saving humanity.

Some people need a religious figure to give them a kick in the pants to do this. Others manage without that.

Good people have no PR teams.

What were the apostles, if not a PR team?

 

[onejayhawk]

Some of the most bigoted, prejudiced people I have ever known are the same people who insist they are Christians

Some of the most hate filled, bigoted people I know preach tolerance and claim to be anti-racist. We can do this all day.

What were the apostles, if not a PR team?

I don't think that tracks. It would make make universities PR firms. There is definitely a PR element, but it makes a poor characterization.

J

 

[Farm Boy]

U.S. 'Christians' would burn me at the stake if I were within reach.

Stay away from some of the evangelicals, some of the baptists, and be wary about any church with "bible" in its name. You're probably reasonably good with most of the United Methodists, the Presbyterians, and Lutherans for the protestants. They tend to have some actual hierarchy and mechanisms of pastoral removal for veering far enough off doctrine to include things like "murder ze gays for God! herp." Actually, I'm not entirely sure how much control the Presbyterians have, but the Methodists definitely have bishops and I'm pretty sure the Lutherans do too. Catholics remain Catholics here with some local bureaucratic flavor. I don't know enough about the Mormons to comment. I also don't know enough about the Amish or Mennonites, but they're pretty insular.

 

[Flying Pig]

Really?

From the horse's mouth:

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

 

[timtofly]

Really?



Interesting interpretation, I'm sure. I mostly see a righteous soul in that soundbite. Being of a righteous nature does not prevent one's soul from becoming vexed by misfortune.

Yes

God cannot see the moral righteousness that humans view. We hold some people to be righteous because they tend to be so in our own moral state. God only views humanity as fallen through the choice of Adam. The only righteousness that God sees is the obedience of Jesus Christ. The early church fathers viewed this as the original sin. That however is putting a physical birth component and the blame and remedy for the blame put into human terms and human means of remediation.

It is just easier to say that God allowed humans to be in the condition they are and only God can remedy that condition. Human morals are all well and good. We would still be in the dark ages, if humans were unable to maintain morals on their own. However allowing humans to be their own moral guides also has the ability to remove God from the equation and then God is relegated to religion and those people who need crutches to stand with. The point is that God allows us to be our own moral agents and that is why we have to have faith in Him. He has removed himself as a physical entity and those who know God are responsible for making Him known to those who do not. Not that they need faith in God to be moral or good.

So because I think hate speech is wrong and I approve of my country's hate speech laws, even though they prevent me from venting my anger on certain issues in public, that means that I should "grasp" the "concept" of God?

Your legal system has replaced God and it should deem every one guilty of hate speech until they can prove they were just kidding around. If God were a concept then, yes. You say that humans evolved into immoral beings and need education to eradicate such evolution.

Some of the most bigoted, prejudiced people I have ever known are the same people who insist they are Christians, yet they see nothing wrong with standing up in public and ranting about how evil gay people are, or writing awful letters to the editor about immigrants, gays, or whichever minority group of people they hate. My Christian mother once pulled up to a gas station, and the first words out of her mouth to a very shocked teenage attendant were, "Is this gas station owned by white people?"

Those people are wrapped up in the legal system of morality just like you use the government to protect you from those whose speech offends you.

Hate speech can be as local as the next door neighbors, if they happen to be "other" than you are.

Hate speech is just a persons own point of view.

I'd call inciting people to kill others as more than "annoying."

It's very easy to throw up one's hands and say, "Well, there's this part of the human brain that's still not evolved enough to keep us from violence, hate, selfishness, and lots of other negative stuff, so why fight it?"

The thing is, humans do have the ability to override that. We need to teach ourselves and our descendants to have the will to follow through. And that's not eradicating humanity. I see it as saving humanity.

Some people need a religious figure to give them a kick in the pants to do this. Others manage without that.

Holding one's breath under water is annoying, but we do it if we do not want to take in water into our lungs and suffocate. Being moral is annoying because it goes against what we want to do. I agree that we need knowledge to get past our humanity, but knowledge does not get us past God. If people need God to survive life, they are just doing mental aerobics. People who know God realize that they would not exist without Him. If one did not have a government, they would not be able to remove those whose speech is detrimental, but the government should not be the crutch to help one overcome the speech that is annoying.

What were the apostles, if not a PR team?

They were people who knew a truth and wanted to convey that truth in their limited human way. I am not sure that they were like modern PR people who do it mostly for the profit of modern PR'ing.

 

[El_Machinae]

From the horse's mouth:

That's not the Horse's Mouth! It's at best a proxy for the horse.

 

[warpus]

Your legal system has replaced God and it should deem every one guilty of hate speech until they can prove they were just kidding around.

No offense, but you don't know what hate speech is. Best look that up!

 

[Farm Boy]

That's not the Horse's Mouth! It's at best a proxy for the horse.

I don't know. I read that quote and now I have grey all sprinkled in my beard.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Not that they need faith in God to be moral or good.

Interesting thing to say for someone who keeps insisting Genesis is actually true.

Your legal system has replaced God and it should deem every one guilty of hate speech until they can prove they were just kidding around. If God were a concept then, yes. You say that humans evolved into immoral beings and need education to eradicate such evolution.

Hate speech is not "I hate Brussels sprouts and asparagus." (both of which I do honestly hate; they taste and smell horrible)

The hate speech laws don't apply to what gets said in the privacy of one's own home or car, since neither place is public. Public means in public, in school, making a speech, or writing that's meant to be read by the public (ie. letters to a newspaper, or a journal article, or blog).

Those people are wrapped up in the legal system of morality just like you use the government to protect you from those whose speech offends you.

If someone offends me, I don't wait around for the government to tell them I'm offended. But if they escalate the issue toward advocating or committing threats or violence against me, the laws are there to be used to stop them.

Hate speech is just a persons own point of view.

If one did not have a government, they would not be able to remove those whose speech is detrimental, but the government should not be the crutch to help one overcome the speech that is annoying.

If not the government, then who? Are you advocating people be vigilantes?

They were people who knew a truth and wanted to convey that truth in their limited human way. I am not sure that they were like modern PR people who do it mostly for the profit of modern PR'ing.

Jesus told them to go forth and spread the word. That's the basics of any PR campaign.

 

[timtofly]

Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

Just because someone reads the Bible and laughs about it does not mean it is hate speech, yet most posters in the thread have insinuated hate speech. Most of todays comedy could easily be construed as hate speech. Most comedy and allegory from the past could be construed as hate speech. Are we saying that the word offend should be not considered in the definition then?

It is based upon intent, and no one here has produced any evidence of intent. I am not condoning what was done, but taking it at face value is seems annoying at the most. It obviously has offended people, and that is my point. There will never be a sanitized society where people will be free of offensive speech.

 

[bhsup]

The righteous stand before the darkness and The Dread Wolf shall guide their hand.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

Uh-huh. And Canada has laws that say how far people are allowed to go with that, and under which circumstances they have crossed over the line from bigoted jerk to committing a criminal offense.

 

[Takhisis]

Less like "copy-pasting" errors, and more like copy-scribing errors. Especially, the several hundred revisions from 1 AD to this very day, the amount of times it has been rewritten, edited, then burnt, then published anew, then some guy translating it in German, causing all sorts of problems..

And those silyl Slavs retranslating it instead of learning Greek as is proper… and the Italiotes doing the same, too…

Obviously.

Eh?

Stay away from some of the evangelicals, some of the baptists, and be wary about any church with "bible" in its name…

Funnily enough, many of those send their missionaries down here. They're very obnoxious.

Hate speech is not "I hate Brussels sprouts and asparagus." (both of which I do honestly hate; they taste and smell horrible)

I would marry and/or clone this woman if I could.

The righteous stand before the darkness and The Dread Wolf shall guide their hand.

This sounds like someone who does not believe in the Master and his Unity.

 

[Borachio]

Eh?

Look. Dyslexia: book bonk.

See?

*sigh*

Nevermind. It really doesn't matter. I was just amusing myself after all.

 

[Takhisis]

'bonk' as a synonym of a certain expletive?

 

[Borachio]

It's also the noise that robocop makes when he collides with a lamppost. In the 1987 original.

Truly, it was one of the funniest things I think I've ever seen.

*bonk*

Hahahahaha.

Shame I can't find it on youtube.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

'bonk' as a synonym of a certain expletive?

It means different things in different places. I had no idea there was any other definition besides "hit" until I read an interview where the actress who played Gabrielle on Xena mentioned the language difficulties she had with her New Zealand co-stars. To her the word meant "hit"; to them it had the other meaning.

 

[Farm Boy]

Funnily enough, many of those send their missionaries down here. They're very obnoxious.

It's been working. The Catholics have been losing ground to them. The Protestant in me loathes being forced to think this is a Bad Thing. But it almost certainly is.

 

[Takhisis]

It's also the noise that robocop makes when he collides with a lamppost. In the 1987 original.

Truly, it was one of the funniest things I think I've ever seen.

*bonk*

Hahahahaha.

Shame I can't find it on youtube.

Oooh, yes.

It means different things in different places. I had no idea there was any other definition besides "hit" until I read an interview where the actress who played Gabrielle on Xena mentioned the language difficulties she had with her New Zealand co-stars. To her the word meant "hit"; to them it had the other meaning.

Anyone who's watched Four Weddings and a Funeral knows the meaning.