Research Q&A

[Ozymandias]

Mistfit, you rock!

-Oz

 

[El Justo]

BTW the website where I got all of this is here

http://www.info-regenten.de/regent/regent-e/

It seems pretty usefull for all ages.

thanks Misfit, Oz & mrtn. you guys have been very helpful.

you guys'll get credits when i release the new version of TCW.

 

[Mistfit]

I appreciate the thought of the credit! If you do though please add the "t"

 

[El Justo]

I appreciate the thought of the credit! If you do though please add the "t"

my bad

absolutely!

 

[RedAlert]

Hello again, I'm in the process of making my scenario, 1812: Napoleon in Russia, and I may be dropping by with some questions now and then. The first of which is below. Thanks for any help with it or later questions.

So,
I'm looking for better/accurate/unique names for some of the units in my scenario. All I have right now is "[country name] infantry"

These units are as follows:

- French Infantry
- Italian Infantry
- Austrian Infantry
- Prussian Infantry
- Swedish Infantry
- Russian Infantry

Can anyone help me with this?

Also, would it be accurate to rename my unit called 'Cavalry' to 'Dragoon'?

 

[Ozymandias]

It's been awile since I've reviewed Napoleonic times so these're a bit generic -- "Fusileers" might work for generic musketmen; Grenadiers of course for heavier (grenade-throwing) infantry; Landwehr for Prussian reserve infantry.

Dragoons are mounted infantry. Other cavalry types would include Hussars, Uhlans, Lancers.

I know that's not much but hopefully it's a start.

BTW most nations would have fielded most types of units, with obvious exceptions (Landwehr; Cossacks).

-Oz

EDIT/PS Check out Steph's conversion threads:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48473
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50408

IIRC these games are set a bit earlier but the general types should still fit the bill.

-O.

 

[Mistfit]

I also found the name Prussian Jager as an infantry unit from the time and a French Voltigeur. I'm still looking...

Interesting quote:

Austria did not create regular light infantry battalions until 1798 and their existence was short lived. Austrian tactics did not make the best use of light troops, despite the success of such groups in the Frencha and British armies. In 1801 the light regiments were disbanded and were replaced by TYrolean jagers armed with rifles.

The Austrians did not have the multiplicity of infantry types as did the French and most other powers. To make up for the lack of shock troops like the French Garde, the grenadier companies of all regiments were permanently detached to make up grenadier battalions. These were named for their current commander and were under the direct control of the field commander. In Russia these were the battalions Kirchenbetter and Bresinsky. There was also a special class of infantry originally raised to defend the Croatian and Transylvanian borders (or Grenz) against the Turks. During the long Napoleonic Wars these Grenz regiments became absorbed into the main army and performed rather well, despite being somewhat smaller at 2,980 men each. In Russia the St. George Grenz No. 6 was in Trautenberg's Division.

The last infantry type were the Tyrolian Jaegers, or hunters. They were raised from the Tyrolian mountain people who were both experienced hunters and marksmen and intensely conservative and devoted to the Habsburg family. Even though they were listed as a regiment -- to 1809 the Tyrolian land- und feld-I.R. 46, then the 64th I.R. Chasteler -- they were never so employed. Instead, individual battalions were attached to a corps to act as light infanty as needed.

Another one:

The Swedish Army between 1800 and 1812 - Infantry
The Swedish infantry was divided into two types of troops. The permanent regiments, which were professional soldiers, and the drafted regiments, of which only the officers and non-coms were professionals. The drafted regiments recieved 28 days of training each spring and were mobilized for the same period in case of need (i.e war).The quality of the regiments were usually good, though the drafted units sometimes lacked in training and equipment. Especially noted were the Jägar (Skirmisher) units, usually of company strength and armed with rifles they not only fought as skirmishers (where they were noted for their marksmanship), but also in line as rearguard when the main body had to withdraw in haste.

 

[Mistfit]

Italian line infantry was originally organized on the French 1805-1807 pattern. Line battalions had nine companies, seven of fusiliers, and one each of grenadiers and voltigeurs. Company strength was set at 123 men each, but this was rarely achieved on campaign. Infantry regiments consisted of two line battalions plus one depot battalion of four fusilier companies. In 1808, Italian line infantry organisation changed to the French pattern of 1807. Company strength remained unchanged, but the line battalions now had only four companies of fusiliers, and one each of grenadiers and voltigeurs. Jim Getz and Scott Bowden, authors of the popular EMPIRE simulation game, rate Italian line infantry as veteran troops in the 1810-1812 period, with line grenadiers and voltigeurs one level above the fusiliers.

Fusiliers
In 1806, Italian line infantry adopted the French uniform with pointed lapels, changing its uniform colour from green to white at the same time

Grenadiers
Grenadiers were shock troops attached to the line infantry battalion. The grenadier company deployed on the right of the line, or on the right flank of an attack column. Grenadiers of several battalions in a brigade might be converged on occasion to form an elite battalion for an assault or strongpoint defence

Voltigeurs
Voltigeurs were trained light infantry attached to the line battalion as skirmishers

http://miniatures.de/html/frc/1807-1814-italian-infantry.html


landwehr

\Land"wehr`\, n. [G., fr. land land, country + wehr defense.] That part of the army, in Germany and Austria, which has completed the usual military service and is exempt from duty in time of peace, except that it is called out occasionally for drill.

 

[Mistfit]

Pretty Much it seems as if the majority of the worlds armies used the French terms for their Infantry. Except for some of the speciality units like the :

Jägar (Skirmisher): Sweeden
Tyrolian Jaegers: Austria
Landwehr: Prussia

Mistfit, you rock

BTW...Thanks

 

[RedAlert]

Thanks for your great help, Mistfit and ozymandias. I have a few ideas now...

That's some good reading too. Interesting.

I'll be back

 

[mrtn]

...Jägar (Skirmisher): Sweeden
...

I'm confident this should be Jägare (meaning hunter...).

 

[Mistfit]

I will take your word over mine on the Jägar vs Jägare thing. The item I posted was a direct quote from a web page. I was not able to find a free Swedish to English Translator online. I Did however read elsewhere that the meaning of the word was "hunter" so I will take the word of a native over a web page with no documentation to back it up.

Swedish Army

@ RedAlert

There is some great reading here regarding Cav's and Arti in this article as well

 

[mrtn]

Ah, I see why it could have lost that e (boring grammar reason).
For Swedish-English translation, try lexin.

 

[Madeira]

Hello again!
I have another request for help.
My scenario starts in the ancient age and I have a bunch of barbaric civs: Britons (include picts), Iberics, Gauls, Germans, Norse, Goth and Scythian. Some of these have tribe names in the citylist.
Thing is, my scenario is open ended and goes all the way to the modern age and beyond, im expecting this civs to collonize, but instead of seeing tribe names in the new-world for instances, I would prefer to see actual names of colonies.

The norse (vikings) settled in Great Britain did they not? There are actually quite a few english towns with names that came from the vikings or something right? So did the Germans (saxons) right?

Could you guys give me a list of citynames of places settled by these civs? At least for the germans and norse, and i suppose i can use spanish colonies for the iberics and english for the britons (though not very accurate, but my scenario is not that accurate anyway).

Thanks!

 

[Ozymandias]

Hello again!
I have another request for help.
My scenario starts in the ancient age and I have a bunch of barbaric civs: Britons (include picts), Iberics, Gauls, Germans, Norse, Goth and Scythian. Some of these have tribe names in the citylist.
Thing is, my scenario is open ended and goes all the way to the modern age and beyond, im expecting this civs to collonize, but instead of seeing tribe names in the new-world for instances, I would prefer to see actual names of colonies.

The norse (vikings) settled in Great Britain did they not? There are actually quite a few english towns with names that came from the vikings or something right? So did the Germans (saxons) right?

Could you guys give me a list of citynames of places settled by these civs? At least for the germans and norse, and i suppose i can use spanish colonies for the iberics and english for the britons (though not very accurate, but my scenario is not that accurate anyway).

Thanks!

Off the top of my head, IIRC Dublin ("Black Pool") was established by the Vikings as a slave trading station.

-Oz

 

[mrtn]

Off the top of my head, IIRC Dublin ("Black Pool") was established by the Vikings as a slave trading station.

-Oz

Yes, though the name itself is in Irish/Gaelic/whatever you call it.

Also York (Jorvik) is pretty famous.

I don't know how correct it is to equal Saxons with Germans...

 

[Madeira]

The Germans in my mod represent all the germanic tribes, saxons are a germanic tribe, so...
Yes, Jorvik, thats the kind of stuff I want

 

[Mistfit]

The only thing I've been able to find on your city names are Roman names of now British cities. I don't know if it would help but I list the few I've found anyway

Camulodunum (now Colchester)
Verulaminum (now St Albans)
Londonium (now London - of course )
Isle of Mona (now Anglesey)

Note to Research Q&A Staff - I was looking at the GOTM release page and I was noticing that the quality and quanity of the information given (the history) has declined since the Gotm people started to do 2 xOTM's a month. I presume it is because Ainwood is so dang busy trying to keep 2 games a month plus the QSC active. I was wondering if you (and I) could offer our services to Ainwood to come up with the Starting page information for him and supply some great pictures to go with them to ease his workload? I know I could prolly do the majority of the work myself but I's really like your help to get some neat info out there for the xOTM crowd. Waddya think? should I PM Ainwood and offer our services?

This is the start page to the classic GOTM with the Mongol's this is what I'd like to see the start page get back to
GOTM 25 - The Mongol's
This is the most current months GOTM - Germany. Yes, it is OK, and gives the needed information but it is not nearly as cool as the old ones.
Most Current GOTM start page

 

[pedrov]

I don't really mess around with GOTM, but if you let me know what you need I'd be happy to help out. Do you think we should post those requests here or on a separate thread? I'd vote for here since the info would probably be of use to other developers. Besides, it would be one less thread to keep track of.

 

[LouLong]

Maybe I'll get lucky.

Anyone have any ideas for a UU, leader, and civ traits for the Phrygians

UU : axeman (I can scan a picture if needed).
Leader : Midas (commited suicide in 676 when Cimmerians invaded and destroyed his kingdom
Traits : Religious (quite nice religion of the Great Mother and of the wine god = future Greek Dyonisos) and commercial (since Greeks were impressed by his welath (cf he had lots of horses therefore lots of stalls, just ask Hercules ).