Researchers use spoofing to 'hack' into a flying drone

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Ziggy Stardust, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2005
    Messages:
    24,847
    Location:
    High above the ice
    This is a worry isn't it?

    What about taking over armed drones and turning them?
     
  2. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2003
    Messages:
    33,999
    Location:
    USA #1
    It is one thing to broadcast an unencrypted GPS signal and lead a drone astray. It is quite another to break the encryption scheme used to control military drones and completely take it over. The NSA is quite proud of their encryption schemes. I don't think one has ever been compromised.

    But this does show a problem with drones in general as the story states. Having a human present means that he can turn his head in any direction and discern immediately if the avionics are acting unpredictably.
     
  3. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

    Joined:
    May 26, 2006
    Messages:
    11,133
    Location:
    北京皇城
    Yeah, this sort of thing is a persistent problem. It's hard to counter it because, as has been stated, it's not a full-blown hijacking so much as like, reversing the road signs at a fork in the road, or painting a photorealistic tunnel onto a canyon wall (a la Wile E. Coyote).

    They key is to tighten up the orientation algorithms and introduce predictive methods for knowing if something is going wrong.
     
  4. Terxpahseyton

    Terxpahseyton One. And many.

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2006
    Messages:
    10,455
    Gender:
    Male
    Why can't the drone be made to only accept properly encrypted GPS signals?
     
  5. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

    Joined:
    May 26, 2006
    Messages:
    11,133
    Location:
    北京皇城
    Oh, it can, but you can always crack those. I'm talking about salvaging a post-hack situation.
     
  6. The_J

    The_J Say No 2 Net Validations Super Moderator Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    33,987
    Location:
    DE/NL/FR
    The problem: It's just not encrypted.
    Same counts for e.g. your mobile connection (everyone can set up his own mobile phone station) or the communication of the drones (Taliban were able to intercept data from drones in Afghanistan).
    Not everyone has yet the right sense for security in this field. Which is somehow funny, considering the field of work.
     
  7. GinandTonic

    GinandTonic Saphire w/ Schweps + Lime

    Joined:
    May 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,392
    Or just add bae's new toy.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18633917

    Basically mapping the known broadcasts of many many signals to provide a back up if gps is lost. Like google maps on android uses known wifi spots to work indoors but over a far wider spectrum. If navstop and gps suddenly dont agree the drone could alert human handlers or look to it's inertial systems to get a casting vote. Even go into a "safe mode".
     
  8. EnglishEdward

    EnglishEdward Deity

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2008
    Messages:
    6,243
    Location:
    England
    For a modern drone to perform properly, it has to be able to transmit
    pictures back to its controllers, and its transmission can be jammed
    or its transmission signal may be used to guide a missile to it.

    Drones may work against poorly equipped enemies such as the taliban,
    but their performance against better equipped enemies is unproven.
     

Share This Page