Returning Civ Leaders-Elimination Thread

[Manifold]

Abraham Lincoln 20
Ashoka 23
Brennus 20
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
De Gaulle 8
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 22
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 21
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 21
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 20
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 20
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 17 (20-3) who?
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 20 (17+3) just for the name
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 20
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 20
Ashoka 23
Brennus 20
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
De Gaulle 8
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 22
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 21
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 22 (21+1) I want him back instead of Pachacuti
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 17 (20-3) why? Yuan dynasty is fine and all... but he lost 1/2 of the Mongol Empire when the Khanates didn't acknowledge him any more and fought years and years of civil wars. Yet some people claim he ruled over the largest territory in history... He might make a better leader for China than for Mongolia.
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 20
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 17
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 18 (corrected the last vote)
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 20
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 20
Ashoka 23
Brennus 20
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
De Gaulle 8-3=5 - I agree with eliminating De Gaulle now. There are more significant leaders for France.
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 22
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 21+1=22 - She is much better choice for female leader of Egypt than Cleopatra.
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 22
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 17
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 20
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 17
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 18
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 20
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Guandao]

Abraham Lincoln (20+1)=21 I would like Abe to return as an alt leader for America, with a voice similar to that of Daniel Day Lewis in Lincoln...
Ashoka 23
Brennus (20-3)=17 Not enough known about this guy, he sacked Rome, so what? Let's make Alaric and Genseric German leaders then!
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
De Gaulle 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 22
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 22
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 17
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 20
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 17
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 18
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 20
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Morningcalm]

Abraham Lincoln 21 + 1 = 23 (The only *relatively* uncontroversial alternate American leader other than Washington or John Adams, I think.)
Ashoka 23
Brennus 17
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
De Gaulle 5 - 3 = 2 (Agreed on De Gaulle, though more modern leaders is something I generally like to see in Civ to offset the numerous medieval ones)
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 22
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 22
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 17
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 20
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 17
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 18
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 20
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 23
Brennus 17
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
De Gaulle 2
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 22
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 22
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 17
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 20
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18 (17+1) Yes, please. I'd like the Hitties to make a comeback and there are only a few options that are known to not experts.
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 18
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 17 (20-3) Too close to Cyrus. Not another Achaemenid ruler for Persia please. This civ has such a long and interesting history, but we only get Achaemenid rulers. How about Abbas for a change?
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Xandinho]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 23 + 1 = 24 As I explained before: A more historically ancient leader to India
Brennus 17
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
De Gaulle 2 - 3 = -1 Eliminated. There are options of much better leaders for France
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 22
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 22
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 17
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 20
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 18
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 17
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 24
Brennus 17
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 22
Hannibal Barca 17-3=14 - General, not a leader.
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 20+1=21 - Actually, I would like to see him as the leader of England.
Huayna Capac 22
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 17
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 20
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 18
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 17
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 24
Brennus 14 (17 - 3) -- We know nothing about him. There's even speculation that brennus was a title.
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 22
Hannibal Barca 14
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 21
Huayna Capac 23 (22 + 1) -- The guy murdered his brother, gilded his skull, and used it as a goblet.* I defy Firaxis to include that as part of his depiction.
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 17
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 20
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 18
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 17
Zara Yaqob 20

*EDIT: I just realized I was thinking of Huayna Capac's son, Atahualpa... Okay, Atahualpa is the one I want.

 

[Morningcalm]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 24
Brennus 14
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 22 + 1 = 23 (A cunning political manipulator, lawgiver, conqueror, and Bani Matim. There's a reason his name is almost always near the top of the Hall of Fame score sheets in Civilization games).
Hannibal Barca 14
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 21
Huayna Capac 23
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 17 - 3 = 14 (Not as interesting as his great ancestor Genghis. And he is famous for that which does not really represent the popular image of Mongolians--namely his military failures and his culturally Chinese lifestyle/ While a fascinating leader nonetheless, Genghis takes priority over Kublai for sure.)
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 20
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 18
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 17
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Guandao]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 24
Brennus 14
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 14
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 21
Huayna Capac 23
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 20
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 14
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II (20+1)=21 Seems like a decent choice to replace Suleiman as the Ottoman leader, better than Osman
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok (18-3)=15 Not a historical leader at all, plus wouldn't fit as an alternate leader for Norway
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 17
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Manifold]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 24
Brennus 15 (14+1) "Vae victis!
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 14
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 21
Huayna Capac 23
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 17 (20-3) time for Scipio Africanus
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 14
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 17
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[WillowBrook]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 24
Brennus 15
Canute 20
Charlemagne 20
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 14
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 22 (21+1) big personality, could have interesting religious or diplomatic abilities
Huayna Capac 23
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 17 (20-3) time for Scipio Africanus
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 14
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 24
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 14 (17-3) we already have Cyrus
Zara Yaqob 20

(I'd post more often if there weren't a whole bunch of other elimination threads I'm also interested in....)

 

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 24
Brennus 15
Canute 20
Charlemagne 17 (20-3) what civ? Germany? France? Both options would kind of offend the other. And a HRE civ? Then Germany would be too close right now as it is with Barbarossa and the Free Imperial Cities.
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 14
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 22
Huayna Capac 23
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 17
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 14
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 25 (24+1) Time for generating and spending some money.
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 14
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 24+1=25 - It would be great if there was someone different than Gandhi as leader of India. And Ashoka was a great emperor.
Brennus 15
Canute 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 14-3=11 - As I said, he was never a leader of Carthage.
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 22
Huayna Capac 23
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 17
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 14
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 25
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 14
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[ViterboKnight]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 24
Brennus 15
Canute 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 14 + 1 = 15, one of the best leaders ever! Put him in!
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 22
Huayna Capac 23
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 17
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 14 - 3 = 11, if there should be Mongolians, let it be Genghis!!
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 25
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 14
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Viterbo Knight posted in the same time as me, here are the correct scores:

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 25
Brennus 15
Canute 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 20
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 12
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 22
Huayna Capac 23
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 17
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 11
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 25
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 14
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 25
Brennus 15
Canute 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17 (20 - 3) -- Not a fan, and he's too close in time to Teddy. And shares the same last name.
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 12
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 22
Huayna Capac 23
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 17
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 11
Louis XIV 22 (21 + 1) -- Astonishing that he was overlooked in a game that claims to be about big personalities.
Mansa Musa 25
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 14
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[God of Kings]

Abraham Lincoln 23
Ashoka 25
Brennus 15
Canute 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17 (20 - 3) -- Not a fan, and he's too close in time to Teddy. And shares the same last name.
Frederick the Great 21
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 12
Hatshepsut 22
Henry VIII 22
Huayna Capac 23
Joao II 21
Julius Caesar 17
Justinian I 20
Kublai Khan 11
Louis XIV 22 (21 + 1) -- Astonishing that he was overlooked in a game that claims to be about big personalities.
Mansa Musa 25
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 20
Mursilis 18
Osman 17
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 20
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 20
Xerxes 14
Zara Yaqob 20

FDR is the nephew of Teddy by the way.

 

[Zaarin]

@God of Kings Yes, I know. More reason to choose someone else.