Returning Civ Leaders-Elimination Thread

[Zaarin]

Alas, poor Kublai Khan. I for one hope we don't see Genghis; the game is already brimmed to overflowing with warmongers.

Abraham Lincoln 20
Ashoka 26
Brennus 15
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 15
Hatshepsut 19
Henry VIII 19
Huayna Capac 23
João II 23
Julius Caesar 17
Justinian I 20 (23 - 3) -- I'd rather see a Komnenos. Any Komnenos.
Louis XIV 24 (23 + 1) -- A personality as big as his ego, and a great patron of the arts.
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 14
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Guandao]

I'm surprised to see Kublai Khan go before Brennus, Cunobelin, Mursilis, Osman, and Ragnar...Some people really must hate him compared to his genocidal grandpa

Abraham Lincoln 20
Ashoka 26
Brennus 15
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin (17-3)=14 Why is he still here? There are better Briton leaders to choose from.
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca (15+1)=16 Still a good leader choice for Carthage. Wasn't he a Shofet?
Hatshepsut 19
Henry VIII 19
Huayna Capac 23
João II 23
Julius Caesar 17
Justinian I 20
Louis XIV 24
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 14
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 20

 

[Zaarin]

@Guandao Yes, Hannibal was a suffet.

 

[Manifold]

Abraham Lincoln 20
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16 (15+1) Most important and successful Celtic leader
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 14
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 16
Hatshepsut 19
Henry VIII 19
Huayna Capac 23
João II 23
Julius Caesar 17
Justinian I 20
Louis XIV 24
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 14
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17 (20-3) I did not like his last appearance

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 20
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 14
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 16
Hatshepsut 19
Henry VIII 19+1=20 - Influental, well known, and very unrepresented in Civ games. He should have at least 20 points.
Huayna Capac 23
João II 23
Julius Caesar 17-3=14 - Yes, he was an interresting person, but I would like Augustus, Hadrian or Marcus Aurelius more. And Trajan is great choice anyways.
Justinian I 20
Louis XIV 24
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 14
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 17 (20-3) since America has a very nice representation in the game, I don't see the need for a second leader. But of course, many people do. But even we get one anyway, I'd prefer fresh blood.
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 14
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 16
Hatshepsut 19
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 24 (23+1) Sure. There are only two famous choices for the Inca afaik, and I prefer this one.
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 20
Louis XIV 24
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 14
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Zaarin]

@Siptah Three: I think you could make a case for Atahualpa as well.

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 14
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 16
Hatshepsut 19
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 24
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 20
Louis XIV 25 (24 + 1) -- France is pretty near the top of my wishlist for receiving a second leader, and Louis XIV is a top contender for that slot.
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 11 (14 - 3) -- I'd say we're Montezuma'd up, plus we have the one who didn't lose.
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 15
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Guandao]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 14
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca (16+1)=17 Just one of the Carthaginian leaders we know the most about. If Firaxis chooses Dido again, she would be too similar to Tomyris and Cleopatra in certain ways. It would be like Gilgamesh and Sumer again. It's time for Hannibal to return.
Hatshepsut 19
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 24
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 20
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 11
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok (15-3)=12 If added to the game, would be too similar to Harald Hardrada in appearance and agenda. Plus, no firm evidence of his existence.
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 14
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 19+1=20 - Very famous, and actually one of the best leaders that Egypt ever had. Much better than Cleopatra.
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 24
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 20
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 11-3=8 - No need for second Monty. And especially the one known as leader who lost his entire empire (I know it's not his fault that Spanish came, but still we don't need the second Monty)
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 14
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 25 (24 + 1) -- Personally my choice for the Inca would be his son Atahualpa (despite ultimately losing the empire, the man was a fascinating, ruthless, and otherwise quite successful ruler), but I'll take Capac over Pachacuti.
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 17 (20 - 3) -- I really, really want a Komnenos.
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 8
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Manifold]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 14
Franklin D. Roosevelt 14 (17-3) too close to Teddy
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 25
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 14 (17-3) yes Komnenos this time please
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 8
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 14
Franklin D. Roosevelt 14 (17-3) too close to Teddy
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 25
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 14 (17-3) yes Komnenos this time please
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 8
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 21
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

Wot is dis? You're supposed to give one upvote and one downvote, not two downvotes

 

[Guandao]

Wot is dis? You're supposed to give one upvote and one downvote, not two downvotes

Ok, Let us not count Manifold's votes until they correct it

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 17
Churchill 17
Cunobelin (14-3)=11 Not important enough to be Celtic leader
Franklin D. Roosevelt 17
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 25
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 17
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 8
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II (21+1)=22 One of the better choices for a Khmer leader
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Manifold]

sorry, the age

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 26
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 18 (17+1) ok, this time this one
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 11
Franklin D. Roosevelt 14 (17-3) see above
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 25
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 17
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 8
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 22
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 26+1=27 - Enough with Gandhi! We want alternate leader for India!
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 18
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 11
Franklin D. Roosevelt 14-3=11 - He is good choice, but we already have a Roosevelt.
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 17
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 25
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 17
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 8
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 17
Suryavarman II 22
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 27
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 18
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 11
Franklin D. Roosevelt 11
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 18 (17 + 1) -- He's probably the best choice for Carthage. Dido is of uncertain historicity, and while other Barcids were certainly influential--including his father Hamilcar and his brother-in-law Hasdrubal the Fair--Hannibal was actually a suffet. Most of the actual political leaders weren't really that interesting, and Carthage was an oligarchy that didn't have a single head of state to latch onto anyway.
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 20
Huayna Capac 25
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 17
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 26
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 8
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 14 (17 - 3) -- Just say no to the Sioux.
Suryavarman II 22
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Manifold]

Early vote today

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 27
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 18
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 11
Franklin D. Roosevelt 11
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 18
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 17 (20-3) not a second monarch for England
Huayna Capac 25
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 17
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 27 (26+1) fits to Civ 6 like chalk and cheese
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 8
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 14
Suryavarman II 22
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 11
Zara Yaqob 17

 

[Guandao]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 27
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 18
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 11
Franklin D. Roosevelt 11
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 18
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 17
Huayna Capac 25
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 17
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 27
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 8
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 14
Suryavarman II 22
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes (11-3)=8 Another Achaemenid Shah is not needed, plus he failed in his invasion of Greece...
Zara Yaqob (17+1)=18 Despite his hilariously inaccurate portrayal in Civ4 (he didn't even look Ethiopian and his hairstyle...), I feel like he's a solid choice for Ethiopian leader, and I don't want Haile Selassie to return

 

[Morningcalm]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 27
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 18
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 11
Franklin D. Roosevelt 11
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 23
Hannibal Barca 18
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 17
Huayna Capac 25
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 17 + 1 = 18 (Upvoted for his vision of a reglorified Rome, the Hagia Sophia, and amazing generals)
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 27
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 8 - 3 = 5 (Too many Montezumas spoil the broth)
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 14
Suryavarman II 22
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 8
Zara Yaqob 18

 

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 27
Brennus 16
Canute/Cnut the Great 20
Charlemagne 18
Churchill 17
Cunobelin 11
Franklin D. Roosevelt 11
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 24 (23+1) one more for this great guy. He took a break in Civ V, now is time to come back.
Hannibal Barca 18
Hatshepsut 20
Henry VIII 17
Huayna Capac 25
João II 23
Julius Caesar 14
Justinian I 18
Louis XIV 25
Mansa Musa 27
Mehmed II 21
Montezuma II 5
Mursilis 15
Osman 14
Ragnar Lodbrok 12
Sitting Bull 14
Suryavarman II 22
Tokugawa Ieyasu 21
Wang Kon 14
Xerxes 8
Zara Yaqob 15 (18-3) I want Lalibela for Ethiopia or Kaleb of Aksum.