Returning Civs - Elimination Game

[Morningcalm]

Babylonians 24
Byzantines 11
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 7 - 3 =4 (They make great art and great merchants, and have unique units....but they're also European and a last priority for sure).
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 14 + 1 = 15 (Once the mightiest empire in the ancient world, it deserves to return in some form to Civ. We can replace Assyria for Civ VI for now)
Incas 31
Iroquois 14
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians 22
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 17
Portuguese 10
Siamese 15

 

[Guandao]

Babylonians 24
Byzantines (11-3)=8 I could wait until an Expansion for them, plus they might use Theodora again, I want a different leader...
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 4
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 15
Incas 31
Iroquois 14
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians (22+1)=23 I can't see this becoming a DLC civ, but I want it to be added sooner than later.
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 17
Portuguese 10
Siamese 15

 

[DudewiththeFood]

Babylonians 24
Byzantines 8
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 4
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 16 - Didn't play Civ 3 so I missed out on a good opportunity to play a interesting (personally) ancient empire.
Incas 31
Iroquois 14
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 14 - Would like to see the Seljuks get some recognition for once. They seem to be overlooked everywhere and while the Ottomans are probably more deserving, one Turk civ is enough for the meantime.
Portuguese 10
Siamese 15

 

[civviefan]

Babylonians 24
Byzantines 8
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 4
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 16
Incas 31
Iroquois 14
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 14 - 3 = 11 (I agree that Seljuks would be cooler)
Portuguese 10+1 = 11 (giving them a boost as the Dutch seem to be on the way out. They are far too important)
Siamese 15

 

[Returning Lurker]

Babylonians 24
Byzantines 8-3=5
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 4
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 16
Incas 31
Iroquois 14
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 11+1=12
Portuguese 11
Siamese 15

We don't need a fourth Hellenic. We need a first Turkish and I think that the Ottomans have more than earned that spot through science, art, economics, cultural impact on the modern world, mountains of corpses, and bureaucracy. I'm not going to lie, I'm starting to get the feeling like people are just downvoting everything I upvote out of spite. Maybe it's just paranoia or perhaps it's confirmation bias but to me it just seems more than coincidental that every single thing I've upvoted almost immediately gets downvoted to the point of danger or complete elimination from the game. So far only the Inca, which was my very first upvote and the second vote cast in their favor in the entire game, has avoided such a fate.

 

[SMcM]

Babylonians 24
Byzantines =5
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 5 (4 + 1) I know we have enough Civs in Europe, but the Dutch have been very important, and I think they should at least place above Byzantines and Hittites
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 13 (16 - 3) We can't have another civ in Europe but we can have three in Anatolia? Anyway, these guys are probably the least interesting civ here, should have been eliminated a while ago, and I'd much rather see the Ottomans.
Incas 31
Iroquois 14
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 12
Portuguese 11
Siamese 15

 

[Lord of War N02]

Babylonians 24
Byzantines = 5
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 5
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 10 from 13-3 Hittites would be nice but for real earth map, its too close to Greece or Ottoman Empires in TSL map and for ancient civ, Hittites is not my priority as Babylonian is my first choice for being next ancient civ to be added.
Incas 31
Iroquois 14
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 12
Portuguese 11
Siamese 16 from 15 + 1 - My favorite civilization in South East Asia and my first priority for SE Asia Civs, Siam should be in the game as one of SE Asian civ that survived from European colonization, this time Siam should lead by Naresuan for this time.

 

[Amrunril]

Babylonians 24
Byzantines = 5
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 2 (5 - 3) Another European colonial civ, stronger than its size would suggest, but still not on par with England, Spain or France. The one argument I can see for the Dutch is that they'd be a good terraforming civ, but I haven't seen any evidence that the devs have figured out how to support that.
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 10
Incas 31
Iroquois 15 (14 + 1) Still hoping for a diplomacy focused version of the Iroquois.
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 12
Portuguese 11
Siamese 16

 

[Liufeng]

Babylonians 24
Byzantines 5 - 3 = 2 Not that I do not want to see them, but having all those greek civs are getting a little bit too much ...
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 2 + 1 = 3 I far prefer the portuguese over the Dutch, but I feel like this is turning into an anti-european crusade ... I mean, yeah, Europe is overcrowded, and Macedon's inclusion doesn't help. But it doesn't mean that we should exclude a civ for the sole principle that it's european. The Dutch had a powerful colonial empire, but it doesn't mean they're bonuses should be on colonies : it could either be on trade, with the powerful VOC, on amenities, with their monopole on resources, or on culture, with the artistic Dutch golden age. I think it getting a little bit unfair to them, especially when I'm seeing they're about to be eliminated, and carthaginians, which despite being in Africa, are closer to Europe in history (and TSL maps), since they're history is kind of marginal without Rome, is still on the run. So, I'll upvote them, because as a civ, they deserve to be in.
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 10
Incas 31
Iroquois 15
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 12
Portuguese 11
Siamese 16

 

[Xandinho]

Babylonians 24
Byzantines 2
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 3
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 10 - 3 = 7 I do not think so much priority as the other civs here
Incas 31
Iroquois 15
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 12 + 1 = 13 Seriously, the Ottomans are so low on the list? They were one of the greatest empires in history, I would say they should be in the top5 of priority here.
Portuguese 11
Siamese 16

 

[The Kingmaker]

Babylonians 24+1=25 I'm content to let them sit at 25 for the time being. Should ultimately be Top 5 along with Incas, Mongols, and a couple others.
Byzantines 2
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 3
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 7
Incas 31
Iroquois 15
Khmer 21
Koreans 15
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 13
Portuguese 11-3=8 I don't know how often I have to repeat that no one wants to exclude the remaining Europeans, we just want to fill out the rest of the world first.
Siamese 16

 

[Zaarin]

Babylonians 25
Byzantines 2
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 3
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 7
Incas 31
Iroquois 12 (15 - 3) -- I love Iroquoian languages and Iroquoian culture, and we desperately need a Native American civilization in game stat--but I'd rather see someone new.
Khmer 21
Koreans 16 (15 + 1) -- Korea still tops my wishlist of returning civs.
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 13
Portuguese 8
Siamese 16

 

[Dirk Hartog]

Babylonians 25
Byzantines 2-3=Eliminated
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 3+1=4 Same points as before
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 7
Incas 31
Iroquois 12
Khmer 21
Koreans 16
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 13
Portuguese 8
Siamese 16

 

[IgorS]

Babylonians 25 - 3 = 22
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 4 + 1 = 5
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 7
Incas 31
Iroquois 12
Khmer 21
Koreans 16
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 13
Portuguese 8
Siamese 16

 

[The Kingmaker]

Babylonians 25 - 3 = 22
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 4 + 1 = 5
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 7
Incas 31
Iroquois 12
Khmer 21
Koreans 16
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 13
Portuguese 8
Siamese 16

Please include reasons with your votes per the game rules.

 

[IgorS]

Please include reasons with your votes per the game rules.

I have already stated the reason a few posts ago. This is now simply about civs I want to support, and would be more interesting now, versus civs I feel like we could get at a later period. I really don't feel like copy-pasting myself with every vote. It is the same reason from now on. I want civ X sooner, and civ Y later.

 

[Guandao]

Babylonians 22
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 5
Ethiopians 15
Hittites (7-3)=4 It probably should go before all of these Civs, their history is interesting, but I think Firaxis would have trouble finding someone to write Hittite or Luwian dialogue. Look at what they did with Sumeria. I think that is one of the reasons they haven't appeared since Civ3.
Incas 31
Iroquois 12
Khmer 21
Koreans 16
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks (13+1)=14 I feel like they will return soon, with the Janissary as their unique. I prefer them to appear earlier than the Hittites. If the leader isn't Suleiman, it could be Mehmed II (Sorry, Byzantines )
Portuguese 8
Siamese 16

 

[Browd]

I have already stated the reason a few posts ago. This is now simply about civs I want to support, and would be more interesting now, versus civs I feel like we could get at a later period. I really don't feel like copy-pasting myself with every vote. It is the same reason from now on. I want civ X sooner, and civ Y later.

Moderator Action: Please follow the rules. Providing a rationale for your vote (even the same rationale, over and over again) is only reason we allow elimination games in the game forums; otherwise they would be relegated to the Forum Games forum.

 

[WillowBrook]

Babylonians 22
Carthaginians 9
Dutch 5
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 4
Incas 31
Iroquois 12
Khmer 21
Koreans 17 (16+1) should be added sooner rather than later
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 14
Portuguese 5 (8-3) should be here, but I'd rather see all the others on this list first
Siamese 16

 

[civviefan]

Babylonians 22
Carthaginians 9-3=6 (why are they still here???)
Dutch 5
Ethiopians 15
Hittites 4
Incas 31
Iroquois 12+1 = 13 (we need a NA civ and they fit the bill fine)
Khmer 21
Koreans 17
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 28
Ottoman Turks 14
Portuguese 5
Siamese 16