Returning Civs - Elimination Game

[Orange1861]

Assyrians 20
More like most quoted inaccuracy in world history...

What? This is true, the only empire that was ever larger than the Mongols was the British, but in terms of continuous land, the Mongols win.

 

[Siptah]

What? This is true, the only empire that was ever larger than the Mongols was the British, but in terms of continuous land, the Mongols win.

I don't want to derange this thread, but it is indeed very debatable for a variety of reasons. PM me if you are interested or read it up yourself if you are even more interested.

 

[The Kingmaker]

The history sub-forum would be a great place for that discussion.

Reposting latest totals to keep the thread on track.

Assyrians 20
Austrians 14
Babylonians 22
Byzantines 20
Carthaginians 17
Celts 9
Danish 4
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 11
Incas 24
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 17
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 22
Mayans 22
Mongols 20
Moroccans 20
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 19
Portuguese 15
Shoshone 11
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Venetians 3
Zulu 15

 

[Guandao]

Assyrians 20
Austrians 14
Babylonians 22
Byzantines 20
Carthaginians 17
Celts 9
Danish 4
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns (11-3)=8 Scythia has taken their spot, and I don't want broken Chuvash , plus lacking city-names
Incas 24
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 17
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 22
Mayans 22
Mongols (20+1)=21 They have been in Civ since the first one, I hope they will return, despite Genghis being a GG, many Civs have done similar acts of destruction to them
Moroccans 20
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 19
Portuguese 15
Shoshone 11
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Venetians 3
Zulu 15

 

[Morningcalm]

Assyrians 20
Austrians 14
Babylonians 22
Byzantines 20
Carthaginians 17
Celts 9
Danish 4
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 24
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 17
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 22 + 1 = 23 (Mansa Musa. Perfect for the agenda-based leaders. Mali was a wealthy, powerful African nation and a heart of education and soldiery both. It deserves to return).
Mayans 22
Mongols 21
Moroccans 20
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 19
Portuguese 15
Shoshone 11
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Venetians 3 - 3 = 0 (A fun Italian civ in V, but why don't we do Genoa this time around, if we really need yet another European civ?)
Zulu 15

 

[Guandao]

Morningcalm, you need to change the numbers for the Huns and Mongols due to my vote

 

[Morningcalm]

Morningcalm, you need to change the numbers for the Huns and Mongols due to my vote

Fixed. Are you sure you don't want to hear a new rendition of Li Ling Si Han in the game? (Just teasing. I love the music choice for them in V, and Attila's voice actor, but other than that, Mongols definitely deserves it more, maybe with a more imposing Genghis this time around).

 

[SMcM]

Venice was not a one city state, as claimed in the first post, but in fact ruled a sizable territory. Also, a reason why Venice makes more sense for inclusion as a Civ than other Italian city states is its strong identity- a majority of Venetians support independence from Italy even today. Anyway, it's crazy how Venice is already gone before I noticed this thread! Also, sad to see Denmark already dying (I suppose it was inevitable with Norway). It is a shame because I really like the idea of Cnut being in a Civ game as he ruled such an impressive overseas empire. Anyway, no point in voting for Danes at this point.

Spoiler Venetian territory :

Assyrians 20
Austrians 14
Babylonians 22
Byzantines 20
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6 (9 - 3) Could give Celtic Civs more specific names (For example if they were to bring back Boudicca, I think that calling the Civ Iceni, or even 'Britons' would be much better in my opinion). Also, I'd actually rather they gave Boudicca a rest
Danish 4
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 24
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 17
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 21
Moroccans 20
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 19
Portuguese 16 (15 + 1) Yes, it's another European Civ, but in my opinion Portugal is much too important to not be included. I'd like to see it hold on for at least a little longer before it gets eliminated.
Shoshone 11
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 15

 

[DudewiththeFood]

Assyrians 20
Austrians 14
Babylonians 22
Byzantines 20
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6
Danish 4
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 25 - Basically the Romans of South America but overlooked because they aren't European.
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 17
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 21
Moroccans 20
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 16 - At a push I'd take Hawaii or the Maori but not for a long time and not as the same civ.
Portuguese 16
Shoshone 11
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 15

 

[The Kingmaker]

Venice was not a one city state, as claimed in the first post, but in fact ruled a sizable territory.

@SMcM: Just a brief correction here. I'm well aware of Venice's additional territories in former times.

Just in case you are not aware, in Civ5, the Venetian civ had the idiosyncratic feature of being unable to found additional cities besides its capital, which is what was I was referring to.

It made for some unusual gameplay and was pretty divisive for the fans.

 

[Defenestration]

Assyrians 20
Austrians 14
Babylonians 22
Byzantines 20 + 1 = 21 (I just find Byzantine history very interesting.)
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6
Danish 4
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 25
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 17 - 3 = 14 (I'd prefer a new Native American civ, like the Cherokee.)
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 21
Moroccans 20
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 16
Portuguese 16
Shoshone 11
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 15

 

[Dirk Hartog]

Assyrians 20
Austrians 14
Babylonians 22
Byzantine 21
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6
Danish 4
Dutch 23+1=24 Not only was it the first modern republic, but also has the first stock market.
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 25
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 14
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 21
Moroccans 20-3=17 We already have pirates in game, they're called barbarians.
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 16
Portuguese 16
Shoshone 11
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 15

 

[God of Kings]

Assyrians 20
Austrians 14
Babylonians 22
Byzantine 21
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6
Danish 4 - 3 = 1 Redundant thanks to Norway
Dutch 24 + 1 = 25 The Dutch even had the first economic bubble based on a single luxury resource (tulips)
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 25
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 14
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 21
Moroccans 17
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 16
Portuguese 16
Shoshone 11
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 15

 

[MantaRevan]

Assyrians 20
Austrians 14
Babylonians 22
Byzantine 21
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6
Danish = 0 (1-1)
Get outta here, ya freakin pastries. The way firaxis treats this civ makes no sense. Denmark gets Norweigian Ski Infantry as a UU but Sweden is also in the game? And they get Finnish cavalry?
Dutch = 25
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 25
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 14
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 22 (21 +1)
And I won't be happy either if they give us Kublai Khan or something. C'mon now, Genghis is one of the most impactful individuals in all of human history.
Moroccans 17
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 16
Portuguese 16
Shoshone 11
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 15

 

[AnonymousSpeed]

Assyrians 20
Venetians 3 - 3 = 0 (A fun Italian civ in V, but why don't we do Genoa this time around, if we really need yet another European civ?)

Alas, poor pasta, too many hate thee.

Assyrians 20
Danish = 0 (1-1)
Get outta here, ya freakin pastries. The way firaxis treats this civ makes no sense. Denmark gets Norweigian Ski Infantry as a UU but Sweden is also in the game? And they get Finnish cavalry?

And now that we actually have Norway, we don't get the Norwegian Ski Infantry.

Austrians 14
Babylonians 22
Byzantine 21
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6
Dutch 25
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 25
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 14
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 17
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 17 I actually like conglomerate civs (to an extent), but since the Celts are pretty doomed looking, I'll go ahead and switch to sticking up for Polynesia. They were a really fascinating civilization in Civ5 and I think they could do even more interesting things with them in Civ6. I've seen lots of neat ideas for them and there's no shortage of cool things you could do with it. We should at least get a "Can Build Moai" city state.
Portuguese 16
Shoshone 8 Myerp. I don't really feel this one either. I liked them a lot in Civ5 because of their abilities but to be honest I don't have a lot of interest in them historically and now Russia does something similar.
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 15

 

[The Kingmaker]

The Assyrians got clipped off again. They need to be added back to the top with 20 points.

 

[Returning Lurker]

Assyria 20
Austrians 14-3=11
Babylonians 22
Byzantine 21
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6
Dutch 25
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 25
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 14
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 17
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 17
Portuguese 16
Shoshone 8+1=9
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 15

I'm not sure what everyone's beef with the Shoshone are. Maybe they aren't well known outside of America or maybe my schools were a very long string statistical anomalies but from kindergarten (the stories of Sacajawea) to college (Occupation of Yellowstone and confrontations with the park rangers, the tourists, and the army) I was taught about the Shoshone in one way or another so I really can't relate to people who say they were a throwaway pick or just used to fill space or whatever. They always seemed to pop up in my education and a lot of pop culture on plains Indians is directly inspired by Shoshone culture or an offshoot of theirs so I assumed many Americans would come to their defense if nothing else. While the Shoshone aren't a favorite tribe of mine (would've LOVED to see The Pueblos and was very sad to hear the story of their refusal to participate) I have no problems at all with their inclusion and don't see why people are kicking them into the dirt so quickly.

As for Austria with the storm that brewed over splitting Macedon off from Greece and making 1/8th of all the playable sides Hellenic when there are so many missing groups from all over the world I feel like splitting up the Germanic cultures at this time would be inadvisable. Down the line I'd be down for Austria but if they were added right after Macedon and Australia (A cultural child of England) when we still don't have people like the Ottomans, Mongols, Inca, or ANYONE from South East Asia I'd probably roll my eyes so hard they'd pop clean out of my skull.

 

[civviefan]

Assyria 20
Austrians 11
Babylonians 22
Byzantine 21
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6
Dutch 25
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 25 + 1 = 26 (Bring them back with style! Give extras for mountain adjancy and roads)
Indonesians 21
Iroquois 14
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 17
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 17
Portuguese 16
Shoshone 9
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 15 - 3 = 12 (too sensationalised)

 

[nzcamel]

Assyria 20
Austrians 11
Babylonians 22
Byzantine 21
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6
Dutch 25
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 26
Indonesians 18 (21-3) The modern country certainly hasn't justified a place over many others I do not think.
Iroquois 15 (14+1) I know people would like someone different from Nth America, but in terms of Civilization, the Iroquois absolutely belong.
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 17
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 17
Portuguese 16
Shoshone 9
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 12

 

[Orange1861]

Assyria 20
Austrians 11
Babylonians 22
Byzantine 21
Carthaginians 17
Celts 6
Dutch 25
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Huns 8
Incas 27 (26 + 1) Most important in this list in my opinion.
Indonesians 15 (18 - 3) Not very exciting or influential.
Iroquois 15
Khmer 23
Koreans 22
Malians 23
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 17
Ottoman Turks 21
Polynesians 17
Portuguese 16
Shoshone 9
Siamese 20
Sioux 14
Songhai 20
Swedish 17
Zulu 12