Returning Civs - Elimination Game

[Amrunril]

Assyrians 20
Austrians 2
Babylonians 23
Byzantines 21
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 16
Iroquois 17 (16 + 1) The Iroquois were in Civ V as a forest focused civ, but they would work just as a diplomatic civ, thanks to their confederation form of government and their efforts to act as a balance of power between colonial nations.
Khmer 20
Koreans 22
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 14
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 9
Siamese 21
Sioux 15
Songhai 20
Swedish 14 (17 - 3) Sweden was my favorite civ in V, thanks to their distinctive ability, but that ability won't be returning, and it doesn't make sense for the game to include the same mid-tier European powers in every iteration (plus Stockholm is one of my favorite city states).
Zulu 7

 

[Returning Lurker]

Assyrians 20
Austrians 2
Babylonians 23
Byzantines 21-3=18
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 16
Iroquois 17
Khmer 20
Koreans 22
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 14
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 9+1=10
Siamese 21
Sioux 15
Songhai 20
Swedish 14
Zulu 7

You have no idea how hard I had to resist the urge to eliminate Austria just so I could say "YOU. ARE. TERMINATED!" but it seems my efforts would be better focused elsewhere as I've already downvoted the Austrians and I have no doubts someone will snatch them up in the next 2 votes. Whoever is going to be the Predator that goes Commando on the Austrians just... make me proud. Anyway I'm going to downvote Byzantium instead since while I do like them and think they are both an amazing empire (longest lasting continuous empire to date with well over a thousand years under its belt, not exactly a feat to snort at) adding a 4th Hellenic civ right now just seems repetitive and dull. Once we have an expansion under our belts I'd love to see the Byzantines make a glorious return but in the immediate future I want to diversify a little just so we don't have almost 20% of our choices being Hellenic.

As for the Shoshone I'm just going to give them one extra hitpoint then leave them to the wolves since I don't actually love them, I'm pretty much neutral to their inclusion, I just think they deserve better than being wiped out so early and think it's weird how so many people are writing them off so quickly when they seemed to be a recurring character in the history books I read in my American schools so if nothing else they seem to have had some impact on our history and cultural memory and weren't just footnotes and scribbles in the margin.

 

[nzcamel]

Assyrians 20
Austrians 2
Babylonians 23
Byzantines 18
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 16
Iroquois 17
Khmer 20
Koreans 22
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 11 (14-3)
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 10
Siamese 21
Sioux 15
Songhai 20
Swedish 15 (14+1)
Zulu 7

The Swedes aren't the first I want back, but they def have a place a bit further down the line.
Polynesia...it isn't a civilization, not ahead of most of these others.

 

[Orange1861]

Assyrians 20
Austrians -1 (2 - 3) Eliminated, they should be an off shoot of Germany.
Babylonians 23
Byzantines 19 (18 + 1) They lasted longer than most nations survived 2x. They also spent most of their existence being a very relevant nation in Europe.
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 16
Iroquois 17
Khmer 20
Koreans 22
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 11
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 10
Siamese 21
Sioux 15
Songhai 20
Swedish 15
Zulu 7

 

[Liufeng]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 23
Byzantines 19
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 16
Iroquois 17
Khmer 20 + 1 = 21 Again, the Khmer empire's influence was so important in SE Asia it should one of the mandatory civs in the base game, and not one of the "pick a random SE Asia a civ for the game".
Koreans 22
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 11
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 10 - 3 = 7 I can't believe Austria is out, and this not secondary but tertiary civ is still on the run (also the zulus). They're just irrelevant, like, really irrelevant. So much irrelevant that Firaxis had to pick on the Comanche tribes to create a UU ...
Siamese 21
Sioux 15
Songhai 20
Swedish 15
Zulu 7

 

[Xandinho]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 23
Byzantines 19
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 16
Iroquois 17
Khmer 21
Koreans 22 + 1 = 23 My vote goes to them this time. I am really interested in them and in your possible scientific bonus.
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 11
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 21
Sioux 15
Songhai 20
Swedish 15
Zulu 7 - 3 = 4 I'm surprised the Zulus still are here. I maintain my positioning from my previous post, perhaps them are more attractive in a British conquest scenario in South of Africa than a normal playable civ. And if we are thinking of a South African civ in the game, the Kingdom of Mutapa is a better choice than Zulus.

 

[IgorS]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 23
Byzantines 19
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 16
Iroquois 17
Khmer 21
Koreans 23
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 11 - 3 = 8 See Celts. I want Hawaii, I want Aotearoa, maybe Tonga even. Not Polynesia.
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 21
Sioux 15
Songhai 20
Swedish 15
Zulu 4 + 1 = 5 The Zulu are the only doable choice from South Africa (unless we do South Africa as a civ with Nelson Mandela as leader, or maybe Kruger or Smuts). Those suggesting Mutapa, please show me a city list, a UU, a UB... Unfortunately, we do not know a lot about them.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 23+1=24
Byzantines 19
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 16
Iroquois 17
Khmer 21
Koreans 23
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 8
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 21
Sioux 15
Songhai 20
Swedish 15-3=12
Zulu 5

Sweden is not a high priority while the likes of Babylon, Mongolia, the Inca and the Maya are all still missing.

 

[Orange1861]

Zulu 4 + 1 = 5 The Zulu are the only doable choice from South Africa (unless we do South Africa as a civ with Nelson Mandela as leader, or maybe Kruger or Smuts). Those suggesting Mutapa, please show me a city list, a UU, a UB... Unfortunately, we do not know a lot about them.

As previously stated, one can do the Boer Republics or the other numerous tribes that lived in South Africa.

 

[Xefjord]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 19
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 16
Iroquois 17
Khmer 21
Koreans 23+1=24 Love the Sinosphere and Korea is a pretty important Civ to not be included. I always saw parallels in importance and interesting history/development between Europe and East Asia. But Europe has a bajillion civs while East Asia has... 2... Go Korea!
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 8
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 21-3=18 I really like Siam. But I think the Khmer are far more influential. Just a one time downgrade to keep Khmer ahead.
Sioux 15
Songhai 20
Swedish 12
Zulu 5

 

[Guandao]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 19
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians (16+1)=17 Personal bias...I find Indonesian history more interesting than Siam's, plus Maritime SE Asia should be represented by at least one civ
Iroquois 17
Khmer 21
Koreans 24
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 22
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 8
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 18
Sioux 15
Songhai (20-3)=17 I think Mali should return to Civ instead of Songhai, I can't see Firaxis putting them both in the game
Swedish 12
Zulu 5

 

[DudewiththeFood]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 16 - No reason not be included but with two Greeks and Macedon they should be a very low priority.
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 17
Iroquois 17
Khmer 21
Koreans 24
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 23 - Should really be in game already.
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 8
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 18
Sioux 15
Songhai 17
Swedish 12
Zulu 5

 

[Morningcalm]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 16
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 17
Iroquois 17
Khmer 21
Koreans 24
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 23
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 8 + 1 = 9 (While I would prefer Maori instead of a conglomerate blob Polynesian civ, having an exploration-focused civ with some military and culture bonuses and seascape preferences sounds really great theme-wise. I also have nostalgia for the time they appeared as Civ V DLC to everyone's surprise).
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 18
Sioux 15
Songhai 17
Swedish 12
Zulu 5 - 3 = 2 (Let's face it, while they are great, we are also perhaps a bit tired of them. They always play generally the same military game in every Civ iteration, and unlike the fire-and-retreat Mongolian keshiks of V or the field warfare stomper keshiks of IV, the impi aren't the most compelling unique unit. There are more worthy and interesting African civs that could take their spot, Ethiopia, Ashanti, and Morocco included).

 

[Zaarin]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 16
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 17
Iroquois 17
Khmer 21
Koreans 24
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 24 (23 + 1) -- Ideally led by Kublai Khan to represent a more nuanced Mongolia; we're pretty well-stocked on single-minded warmongers like Genghis.
Moroccans 16
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 9
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 18
Sioux 15
Songhai 17
Swedish 12
Zulu = ELIMINATED -- "So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, good night."

 

[Dirk Hartog]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 16
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 23+1=24 Same as before
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 17
Iroquois 17
Khmer 21
Koreans 24
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 24
Moroccans 16-3=13 Same as before
Ottoman Turks 22
Polynesians 9
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 18
Sioux 15
Songhai 17
Swedish 12

 

[Manifold]

Where is Shaaaakkkkkkaaaaaa??????

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 16
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 24
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 17
Iroquois 14 (17-3) not again please. I did not like the LH in Civ 5
Khmer 21
Koreans 24
Malians 24
Mayans 22
Mongols 24
Moroccans 13
Ottoman Turks 23 (22+1) I need more opponents
Polynesians 9
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 18
Sioux 15
Songhai 17
Swedish 12

 

[Returning Lurker]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 16
Carthaginians 17
Dutch 24
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 17
Iroquois 14
Khmer 21
Koreans 24
Malians 24-3=21
Mayans 22
Mongols 24
Moroccans 13
Ottoman Turks 23
Polynesians 9
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 18
Sioux 15
Songhai 17+1=18
Swedish 12

Not only do the Songhai hold sentimental value to me as the first civilization I ever won a game with in Civ 5 (a close space race against Russia) but they also have quite the list of accomplishments like being one of the largest and most well organized African Kingdoms and wealthy enough to attract European merchants way down south from the coasts and into the heart of Africa to do business. Plus if they brought back Askia they could hopefully do him a bit more justice and not base his entire character on his mediocre military career (he had more successes than failures but he was not particularly inspired general, he was very much a member of the "quantity" school of thought and most of his victories were simply the result of being able to bring down way more manpower than his enemies could hope to stand against rather than intricate strategy or tactics) and instead focus on his abilities in organizing and streamlining the law and bureaucracy of such a large and previously disjointed empire or his extreme piety or his funding of academies and mosques.

Because having Mali would decrease the chance of Songhai I feel I must give them a downvote. I like both but if I had to choose I'd prefer Songhai.

 

[civviefan]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 16+1 = 17 (bring back Theodora lying on that couch throwing insults in weird Greek)
Carthaginians 17-3= 14 (go away to leave space for Phoenicians)
Dutch 24
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 17
Iroquois 14
Khmer 21
Koreans 24
Malians 21
Mayans 22
Mongols 24
Moroccans 13
Ottoman Turks 23
Polynesians 9
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 18
Sioux 15
Songhai 18
Swedish 12

 

[Siptah]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 16
Carthaginians 14
Dutch 24
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 17
Iroquois 14
Khmer 21
Koreans 24
Malians 21
Mayans 22
Mongols 24
Moroccans 14 (13 + 1) Yay for Morocco under Moulay Ismaïl! Maybe give him some kind of ransom mechanic that he can capture civilian, religious and weak military units (scouts?) while not being at war? Of course this hurts relationships nonetheless. Also a good military leader and diplomat. And, of course, desert settling bonus.
Ottoman Turks 23
Polynesians 9
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 18
Sioux 12 (15 - 3) I'm not too much into having civs like this around. Some native American Civs are nice to have, but I have no particular love for Sioux in civ. In my opinion, they are more useful for implementation in RTS games.
Songhai 18
Swedish 12

 

[nzcamel]

Assyrians 20
Babylonians 24
Byzantines 16
Carthaginians 14
Dutch 24
Ethiopians 21
Hittites 23
Incas 27
Indonesians 17
Iroquois 15 (14+1)
Khmer 21
Koreans 24
Malians 21
Mayans 22
Mongols 24
Moroccans 14
Ottoman Turks 23
Polynesians 6 (9-3)
Portuguese 17
Shoshone 7
Siamese 18
Sioux 12
Songhai 18
Swedish 12

Iroquois an absolute must. While "eclipsed" by the United States, the Iroquois (or Haudenosaunee) made massive progress in terms of establishing a constitution which lead to improving conditions for all the people's involved.
Polynesia is a stark contrast to the Iroquois.