[R&F] Rise and Fall Live Stream General Thread

[Thormodr]

My understanding is that it was perhaps second behind one in Baekje (so, still Korea). Are there other observatories that can be classified as such?

As for the distinction between astronomy and astrology, there really wasn't one at the time. Astrology led to Astronomy, but without high-quality lenses made out of high-quality Venetian sand, there wouldn't be real Astronomy. Astrology was math. It helped with knowing the seasons, celestial navigation, predicting eclipses and other omens. One of the smartest tech additions for Civ VI.

Something the Chinese had been doing for a long time before the Koreans had. I wonder where the Koreans got the idea from?

As for Civ VI, yes, it is a nice distinction.

 

[Tomice]

A summary video from the german "Gamestar" magazine suggests that we can only have each type of alliance once ???
He basically says we can't have e.g. a science alliance with two civs, though he doesn't say this literally.

Do we have any other confirmation for this?

 

[AriochIV]

A summary video from the german "Gamestar" magazine suggests that we can only have each type of alliance once ???
He basically says we can't have e.g. a science alliance with two civs, though he doesn't say this literally.

Do we have any other confirmation for this?

No.

 

[Tomice]

The video summarizes the expansion only superficially, though. The narrator doesn't seem like had detailed knowledge of the new mechanics.

 

[UWHabs]

No.

I thought I saw somewhere that it said you could only have one of each alliance type at a time. Although that may have been simply that you can only have one alliance type with someone else (ie. if I'm allied with Pericles, then I only have military or economic or scientific...)

 

[WillowBrook]

A summary video from the german "Gamestar" magazine suggests that we can only have each type of alliance once ???
He basically says we can't have e.g. a science alliance with two civs, though he doesn't say this literally.

Do we have any other confirmation for this?

I am under the impression (don't know the source) that you can only have one type of alliance with a particular Civ at a given time - e.g., you can have a scientific or cultural or ... alliance with Korea, not more than one type. What I haven't seen addressed is if you can have, say, a science alliance with Korea and a science alliance with the Dutch.

 

[Revolutionist_8]

A summary video from the german "Gamestar" magazine suggests that we can only have each type of alliance once ???
He basically says we can't have e.g. a science alliance with two civs, though he doesn't say this literally.

Do we have any other confirmation for this?

Yes, it seems to be that you can have only one alliance type at the same time [which is in my opinion makes sense].

If you check this video:

Spoiler :

, Marbozir tries different types of alliances with different civs [starting from 23:28].

 

[leandrombraz]

A summary video from the german "Gamestar" magazine suggests that we can only have each type of alliance once ???
He basically says we can't have e.g. a science alliance with two civs, though he doesn't say this literally.

Do we have any other confirmation for this?

That's what they said in early interviews, right after announcement. Only one alliance of each type.

 

[sonicmyst]

IIRC one alliance of each type was the one mentioned (I think by Anton?)

 

[AriochIV]

I didn't carefully read the second line of Tomice's question; I thought he was asking if you could only have each alliance type once, and could never have the same type again. Obviously that doesn't make sense.

 

[Disgustipated]

Unfortunately Marbozir only has 2 Mongolia videos on youtube. Didn't learn much. From what I've seen with 2 Quill starts and 1 Marbozir as Mongolia, they all started near horses, so that doesn't seem to be an issue. Also era score seems to carry over in a way, so if you do well, but just miss a golden age, things will be easier next era. Interesting that he did a medieval start, so he was actually above turn 200 when he started. Not sure how that works with the 150 turn time limit, but oh well.

I really want to see some videos with a lot of conquest to evaluate loyalty issues.

 

[God of Kings]

Read here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TechnicianVersusPerformer

Quill18 is the performer. Marbozir is the technician. Both are popular Deity-level Civ players on YouTube and Twitch.

Do you agree with the assessment?

 

[agonistes]

I think it's a nod to the people who say that that when you're clearly going to win the space race victory, there are still many more turns left to finish it up. Of course this is good for more than space race but I think it's a good thing to close things out a bit faster.

I've gotta wonder about this theory. I've never tried for a science victory, and rarely play standard, but for some testing, I'm standard speed in a current game, and the science victory projects were taking only 1 turn a pop - AND I was using overflow to build thermal nukes. No chopping. Hell, the city was built on the coast along a snowline. I wasn't even pumping up production with trade routes. So if you're planning on a science victory, and eating up engineers and scientists to get to the good ones, I don't see how there could be much waiting around. It seems like a science victory should be one of the easiest/fastest to achieve on standard speed. Russia + Oracle + Stockholm, grab aurora which is soooo much easier now, even with every civ in the game, Halicarnassus, you can faith buy any great person you want. Unless its the waiting for the research, but even the information age techs on standard speed are about 3 turns each. Maybe I'm just used to ultra marathon games, so standard seems so blisteringly fast. What am I missing?

 

[agonistes]

LOL 465 hammers for +3 food.

The Shopping Mall is a little more expensive but by far a better investment than the Food Market.

Shopping Mall is also a very good boost toward Kongo's (already good) Cultural Victory.

I'll be buying food markets in all of my tundra cities for sure.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

Read here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TechnicianVersusPerformer

Quill18 is the performer. Marbozir is the technician. Both are popular Deity-level Civ players on YouTube and Twitch.

Do you agree with the assessment?

Both of them seem to be playing really bad. Indicating that Deity-level in Civ6 is just a joke...

I would appreciate him if he does not play, but browse the new Civlopedia around, that'll certainly be much more helpful.

 

[AriochIV]

Marbozir is one of the few let's-play-ers that I can watch without getting irritated enough that I stop. He has a good sense of humor, and he's competent enough that I don't (usually) pull my hair out shouting at the screen. That's all I care about when it comes to ability.

quill18 is also skilled and I'm sure he's a fine human being, but he gets on my nerves after about 10 minutes.

I do occasionally watch some streams to learn new gameplay techniques (such as with XCOM/2) to improve my play, but the number of new gameplay techniques I have learned while watching others play Civilization over the last 20 years could probably be counted on the fingers of one hand.

 

[Phoenix1595]

Has Mapuche been really, really confirmed? I'm still hoping for the Inca instead.

I want to reiterate the question posed by @CivLuvah : why are we convinced the final civ is the Mapuche? I've seen the mystery headband leader, and I am not convinced it is more likely to be Lautaro of the Mapache than someone else. I can even still see it as a Sapa Inca, less fancy crown or not.

 

[Stringer1313]

Tamar has really BIG HANDS....

So does Catherine De Medici

 

[Giskler]

It says that each "Can only be built once in a city, even if the city has multiple Neighborhoods. Cannot be built in the same district with a Shopping Mall/Food Market". So if your city has two Neighborhoods, you should be able to build one of each.

Yea, I see now. I guess they really are poorly woorded.

 

[sonicmyst]

Marbozir is one of the few let's-play-ers that I can watch without getting irritated enough that I stop. He has a good sense of humor, and he's competent enough that I don't (usually) pull my hair out shouting at the screen.

I find Marbozir's stream to be more pleasing too. Maybe I am just not used to fast-talkers like Quill although I find quill much more alive in presenting. Drew's lets plays became too much entertainment than insightful.