Role Play Challenge: The Amazon Queen

[madscientist]

welcome to my next RPC game, The Amazon Queen featuring Boudica. These games are meant to be challenging, education, and alot of fun while taking some unique twists with our beloved leaders and perhaps mock history a bit!

Here we have a game where the War-monger Boudica has to unify her fellow Amazon Sister against the evil men of the Pangea continent. While not a "Man-Hater" Mighty Boudica sees the trouble that such Leaders can cause and these kings MUST be destroyed!

Settings

Large Pangea Map

Monarch/marathon speed.

11 other leaders, of which her Amazon Sisters (Victoria/Isabella/Catherine/Hatshepsut) are chosen and the rest are random.

Rules

1) Boudica can only trade and open borders with her Amazonian Sisters. She cannot declare war, nor refuse any request from them. However, she can defend herself if attacked to extent of NOT eliminating one. SHe can vassal a sister to protect them, and must treat them as an equal (share resources, gift techs).

2) Boudica cannot ever trade with a male leader. She must destroy all male leaders in the game except if they are vassals of another Sister (she does not get involved in her sisters "entertainments").

3) Boudica MUST win via Domination (what else did you expect from her!)

So onto the Amazon Queen.

And the start

Well, nice area to start!
My immediate question, do we settle ontop of the wine to nab another hill and rice.

The Amazon Queen starts with hunting and Mysticism.

 

[Capellan]

I'd move the scout 2 SW onto the hill and see what's revealed, but based on what's visible so far, 1N looks stronger.

 

[KROL]

LOL This is an awesome idea for a Role Play Challenge.

I'd say it wouldn't be a bad idea to settle on top of the wine. You'll still have access to a luxury resource, but you'll have an additional food resource, which is vital for the first city. And it doesn't look like you'd lose any floodplain that way.

Good job on getting so much river at your starting location, btw.

Are you looking to do a Gallic Warrior rush?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Initiate shadow....

 

[Stuck in Pi]

This looks awesome. I might shadow, but drop it to Prince. It'll be my first.

 

[apenpaap]

Settling 1N is probably the best idea. You should consider founding a religion early on, as it can really help (culture, money, happiness and good diplomacy will all be very useful)

 

[Celebithil]

I just want to wish you good luck getting domination if 4/12 of the world is left for your sisters which you won't attack. What do you do if they are all what's left and you can't reach the domination limit?

 

[KROL]

Hmmm... that's a good point. You could add a clause stating that if a female leader allies with a male leader, then she has betrayed you, and you're allowed to attack her.

Otherwise, it's possible for a domination victory to become impossible. You could also add a diplomacy victory in, as long as you've destroyed all male leaders.

 

[BakingTheArt]

You cannot declare war or refuse a request? What happens if she asks you to DoW a female?

 

[madscientist]

@ MIT, is your shadow game done yet :LOL:

@ Celebithal and Krol. I guess that means I better avoind that! While I view Boudica as more an honorable leader than a cheater (see the past RPCs as I do break the rules for appropriate leaders) I view her as one "NOT TO BE DENIED". Another words, no letting Hatty win a late game cultural win like I did in the Fred game!

@Baking: She refuses any request that harms another sister. This includes DOW on sisters, and stopping trading.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

@ MIT, is your shadow game done yet :LOL:

@ Celebithal and Krol. I guess that means I better avoind that! While I view Boudica as more an honorable leader than a cheater (see the past RPCs as I do break the rules for appropriate leaders) I view her as one "NOT TO BE DENIED". Another words, no letting Hatty win a late game cultural win like I did in the Fred game!

@Baking: She refuses any request that harms another sister. This includes DOW on sisters, and stopping trading.

No...and only b/c you didn't post a save X_X.

 

[madscientist]

Save is posted!

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Shadowrific!

To 1 AD

Spoiler :

Settle 1N. Tech AG, then mining/masonry. We're getting SH and GW here.

Ugh sal is to the south in 3940. He must be quite close.

3910 burger king due NW

3850 Amazon lovely, cathy, due straight west.

3655 SB straight north. OK, no GW here. We're teching BW instead of masonry.

3400 vicky straight east

3205 sal has hindu. I can guess who got buddhism.

2740 we tech BW and find copper in the BFC .

2560 Stonehenge completed

2440 We suffer a diplo hit with sal as if I care.

2050 We have a road network to sal. Hmm, no OB, but a road network. Why could we POSSIBLY want to do this .

1980 UPRISING! A stack of NINE TMIT axes seek to plunder civilization! (TMIT declares on sal)

1970 Sal had copper in his BFC too. Well, an archer an an axe won't hold pat, even if he whips another.

1960 Whips a spear...? Mecca is mine with 2 losses.

1950 I queue up a settler in bibracte even as I continue to attack sal. I want that gold and ivory near cathy and she wont leave them open forever.

1930 I take medina. It's not great but I keep it since I'm next to cathy and mecca has gold too. I'm really going to whore the commerce resources and war/rex like crazy early on.

1890 oooh, sal's last city, damascus, has 2 furcs and 2 deer, and it's MINE. I don't even need HR. Gold, fur, ivory, CHA! I can ignore that techpath and it won't hurt one bit! Sal is even nice enough to donate a worker as he dies.

Meccan and our cap are cities. Medina is a commerce city, and with 2x deer and otherwise crap tiles to work i'll probably go commerce/early specs in damascus.

1780 Vienne settled for rice, marble, gold. Also just a garbage block commerce city. Gold is usually good trade bait.

1740 After AH I opt to head for CoL. I have a feeling I will need that sooner rather than later.

1680 Crap. Hatty and cathy are jewish, but vicky is hindu. I really wish I were spirtual...

1640 Some barb pressure now. Never hurt a civ with bfc copper though...

1550 Cathy requests I cancel deals with victoria. Can't do it after all. Now she's annoyed. Hmm.

1370 An Axe uprising actually happens somewhere.

1270 Another stop trade request with vicky. NO!

1130 Cathy JUST misses settling my cow/ivory spot, which I take from her by settling there 1 turn sooner.

1070 Hey look hey a forest fire in the capitols forest and we don't have money hey look hey great terrific I "whipped" while not in slavery yes!

1060 Izzy asks me to stop trade cathy. Nay (this game is going to be a diplo nightmare). I get beat to the oracle this turn but it is good money at least.

1040 Cathy declares on me! Bad amazon! Bad! Annoying, my power rating is actually GREATER.

1030 She razes my ivory/cow city. I can't stand for this disrespect. According to the rules "However, she can defend herself if attacked to extent of NOT eliminating one". I'm taking a lawyers approach here. Cathy will have exactly one city after this heresy. I put my prophet in mecca and shrine it this turn, too.

990 BC Charlie is happy to settle that city that I got autorazed. Oh man, as if I needed more reason to kill him than just RPC rules, but first things first...

970 I'm taking novgorod, cathy. Expect more though.

840 Since moscow is a hill city, I had to retreat to get more troops. This turn, it's mine. WOW, a win at 7% odds by me. Interesting.

830 I attach a GG, getting a medic III woodsman II axe. One more attached GG xp bleed and I'll have the dreaded M III W III supermedic. Not unique to azted (tm).

820 Whoa, hatty has culture 1 tile away from moscow! Mad, you crowded this map!

800 I'm first to Col. Decent trade bait and I'll be needing trade bait. Nobody has aesthetics yet, and I do have marble, so I head that way next. Of course, I trade for alphabet (I can't overexpand now!), iron working, and some weak techs too.

770 I love how CR III C I axes can have 88% odds against full health archers in a 20% city. <3 agg/cha.

730 YES! Izzy requests alpha. Of course I give it to her. I have to, but if I do it she also will trade with me...

720 I take yaroslav. As her northernmost city seems to be surrounded by HRE and Maya, I decide to about face, heading south.

710 I get tired of micro and start automating workers.

620 Vicky asks me to go hindu. This counts...I have to do it .

610 St. Pete falls but as a hill wall city it wasn't easy.

590 CoL and IW to izzy for sailing/monarchy. Revolt to HR.

560 Back to NSR. I take Yekaterinburg, and take peace with cathy. She likes me so she even gives me masonry.

470 Conquest money runs out. Slider falls to 10% with 11 BPT. Considering I possess 12 cities though, it could be worse.

400 BC - Taoism founded? On monarch? Cathy asks another stoptrade on vicky. NO cathy! Wait, are you going to declare again? Bad cathy! Bad! The sisterhood doesn't like this conduct. Play nice!

350 with gold and a monopoly on aesthetics, I decide to build paya. I can get into FR, and while izzy may knock me into theo on occasion, this should prevent most change religion requests. It's also the safest...the world is pretty divided hindu/jewish.

320 Vicky gives me math AND 200 gold for aesthetics. What? I'll take it.

300 Lit in, going for glib after paya in capitol. Paya takes priority in this game for diplo reasons. I've long unlocked HE of course, this goes in moscow which has excellent potential.

180 Cathy demands monarchy. Can't refuse another amazon! Charlemagne wants aesthetics. He can go to hell.

160 Izzy declares on MM. Er...where is MM? I have a feeling I'm going to be at war soon, esp as hatty and charlie also declared on Sury. This means I can be in 2 wars.

120 Yep. I dow khmer. Need to find them too now.

90 Aesthetics to hatty for calendar.

70 TT izzy asks for war with mail. OK izzy...

50 Of course, now hatty makes up with sury.

30 So do I.

20 BC Paya completed. To FR we go.

10 BC I get mono and a ton of gold from vicky for lit.

1 AD Empire specs:

Great. Another amazon with a decent chance of declaring on me, even though she hates someone else more. Actually, I feel strongly it's me because she has an unusually large garrison in a border city, and it's not moving. It's nothing I can't smack down, but it's a shame. I might have to "defend myself" again. Note that I goaded NEITHER of these AIs intentionally. I'd have been happy to push north and own the hell out of charlie/SB. This game, however, seems to want to force the ladies to declare on me. Catfight it is then!

I'll try to keep both alive. Cathy might need some help, I may even gift her units if I'm in a good mood. I dunno though. That chariot declare city raze move was pretty dick. We'll see.

A lawyer's interpretation of the rules is always fun. Good luck, mad.

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Edit: I apologize about the lack of 1 AD pics. I um...tend to save empire pictures as "1 AD north" and "1 AD south". I forgot to clear my screenshots though, so I had pasted in some pics of the immortal cookbook sal game I was playing instead. I had to edit those out, and now my empire pics are nowhere to be found. I'll try to fix this when I open this game up again.

 

[bestje]

I'd say settle on the wine, it loses you some commerce but gains the rice tile (which would have been very hard to use otherwise)
looks like your capital is either going to be a good cottage / GP farm

to put a bit of a rephrase on the rules, Boud is happy to look after her sisters providing she's the big sister. IE: winning

 

[Loknar]

What do you do if they are all what's left and you can't reach the domination limit?

Build Sistine Chapel?

 

[madscientist]

The Amazon Queen: Part I

Queen Boudica starts off right away by deciding to explore as much land as possible. Knowledge is the ultimate weapon to start with, and her extraordinary huntsmen are exquisite!

No great surprises up north, Boudica wonders why the people want to settle where they are. She decides to take command and settle1 space north, ontop of the wine.

A very strong rivered capital. Cottages with Buracracy should drive this econoym for quite a bit. Plenty of food and production, Bricate is a magnificent city indeed.

Boudica Sneers at the first civilization she meets, the scum arabs

She chases the great satan out our sight commanding her huntsmen to explore more and find where this arab is lurking.

The Celtics scout were quite production, nabbing another scout, 2 maps, 432 gold AND

Sure we have nothing to fish right now, but one step away from sailing to utilize these rivers.

The second map also revealed

Sitting Bull to our north. Surrounded by protective leaders, a direct challenge and an insult to the Celtic Queen.

OK, some more housekeeping items

Initial build order: Worker/scout/Barracks, archer, archer, archer, settler

Tech order: Agriculture/Archery/Mining/Bronze working and saved.

Now Boudica meets the first of her Amazon sisters.

Well, I was hoping she was not going to be close, oh well.

We meet another Protective leader

And a big old agressive Teddy Bear

To bad you gotta die big guy!

We met a few more Ais

And a couple of sisters Sister

And after searching North, West and East for the Arabian dog we finally find him

Due south.

Boudica screams in delight and frustration, having Saladin right near her yet without the proper military to remove the dirt.

We finally meet the last Sister

Who of course has founded Buddhism. Saladin is the Hindu founder so I am sure Isabella would be delighted if we killed him.

But how. Soon after teching Bronze Working

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Copper right in the BFC! We start teching the wheel while building the first settler.

The view of the continent so far

Three leaders to the south, 2 of shich we cannot attack. The west and east seam clear while Bull is to the north.

So the settler I think goes to the west to cut Cathy off from some land and capture a few resources.

Meanwhile, I think after the settler we connect the copper and spam Axes to destroy the Arabs!

 

[Loki Strikes]

Excellent start so far Mad, gotta love Copper in the BFC, however I would be wary of Cathy, from past experience she I have found her to be as trustworthy as Montezuma(except quite a bit nicer on the eyes). Hopefully your lady wooing will go better this time then with good ol GW was, I look forward to following this.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Good, mad's to the point where I can say this:

This is a bad map for this RPC angle. The female leaders chosen aren't nice either. Only Hatty can't declare at pleased. Worse yet, we're sandwiched by the 2 biggest of the backstabbers among the ladies (and there's a reason they both appeared in PYL: Backstabbers!).

The real fun starts when they get into different religions. Here, we have to take their demands. This means repeated swaps into religions and NSR. That's no problem though, accepting requests is GOOD for diplo and helps the RPC angle. The problem is (and I thought of this very very early when reading the RPC rules and leaders) the "stop trade" or "dow" requests they'll give regarding the other ladies, which Mad said are to be refused. Cathy grants a nice, fun -2 for every one of these requests, and she BORDERS us . Vicky doesn't hate being snubbed quite as much but will happily declare regardless and with the way the game mechanics work, we're prime targets for both due to the shared border consideration.

To put it simply, if an AI rolls a war decision in the RNG, it looks for eligible targets. The first ones considered are those that share a border. It will ignore them if they're above their threshold of DoW, and it will ignore them if they pass a power check (unlikely after noble for many AIs, as you have to not just be stronger, but considerably, and even then if you're at war they just consider enemy power as part of theirs). If those first checks fail the AI goes to the rest of the continent. Basically, if vicky/cathy roll a 90+ (one or both might be 80, I forget), we are a very, very likely target because we have to refuse stoptrades for BOTH. Rebuke wars? You betcha.

Then again, it's no fun if it's too easy . However, expect at least one declaration from one of them if they get into different religions. There's just about 0 way around it in such a scenario, especially if you plan to actually attack other people (where you will instantly fail power checks during war unless your power is absolutely obscene). By the way, a war with a male is a request that seems to be within the rules of what we must accept, so........hehe.

Well, war games are right up my alley, but I thought this information useful for others, and possibly even mad.

 

[DMOC]

Victoria and Catherine are both actually 80+ I believe, which is the worst possible threshold.

 

[BakingTheArt]

I'd suggest capturing Mecca ASAP, and spread Hinduism around as fast as humanly possible. Or, if Buddhism spreads to you, that would be even better, seeing as Isabella will never, ever convert to Hinduism.