Russia is a Totalitarian State

[ComradeDavo]

As awesome as this is, I should point out that the article states they're only banning it on school grounds, not throughout their entire society. Even Russia isn't that awesome.

And a dress code in school is not totalitarian. Most of your schools already have them, albeit very liberal codes.

Did you read the article properly..

''The newspaper subsequently reported that, among other things, the draft bill dubbed the musical movements a "dangerous teen trend" and called for emo and goth websites to be regulated and young people dressing like emos or goths to be banned from entering schools and government buildings.''

Thats more than just schools. And it shows your lack of understaing about how Russia functions....aka the police are corrupt and there's alot of discrimination.

And if you thinking banning stuff is awesome, then I feel you are somewhat of a totalitarian sympathiser yourself.

 

[Adrogans]

and they actually do have a functioning multi-party democracy, which Russia doesn't.

Yeah, you would need a fairly (see below) free media to have that.

(I am not condoning censorship, but I do understand some countries censor foul language and such, but do not censor the content per se.)

 

[scy12]

As awesome as this is, I should point out that the article states they're only banning it on school grounds, not throughout their entire society. Even Russia isn't that awesome.

And a dress code in school is not totalitarian. Most of your schools already have them, albeit very liberal codes

Though there are other societies that banned emo clothing in school grounds. I don't approve it but it does not mean they are totalitarian. But anything more than just condemning such use in schools escapes what is the norm in most societies.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

And if you thinking banning stuff is awesome, then I feel you are somewhat of a totalitarian sympathier yourself.

I think he thinks banning things he doesn't like is awesome.

 

[ComradeDavo]

I think he thinks banning things he doesn't like is awesome.

So as I said, he's a totalitarian sympathiser.

 

[holy king]

Germany's cencorship laws are annoying yes, and I condem alot of them. However if you've ever been to Germany (which I guess you have, being from Austria apparantly) it's clear they try and band people from official buildings based on a look, nor do they call members of music subcultures 'a danger to society' and they actually do have a functioning multi-party democracy, which Russia doesn't.

well, actually germany was very restrictive regarding punks and punk music in the eighties. (and i'm sure "a danger to society" was one of the more civilized things crawling out of cdu politician's mouths at that time)

I appreciate almost all your posts, holy. You and alpine trooper should have a post-off.

i appreciate your appreciation.

 

[ComradeDavo]

Though there are other societies that banned emo clothing in school grounds. I don't approve it but it does not mean they are totalitarian. But anything more than schools escapes what is the norm in most societies.

It's not just school grounds, it's 'government buildings'.

 

[ComradeDavo]

well, actually germany was very restrictive regarding punks and punk music in the eighties. (and i'm sure "a danger to society" was one of the more civilized things crawling out of cdu politician's mouths at that time)

Yes, and that sucks and is a disgrace. But as I said, they have a democracy, and Russia doesn't.

(btw, I take it you mean Western Germany, as here's no denying Eastern Germany was totalitarian.)

 

[Adrogans]

maybe it would be more PC to say Control Addict and ask him to attend a seminar or something. I am fairly certain he was sarcastic, but tone of voice doesn't carry well in type.

I am for school uniforms (I've been to both required and no uniform schools, much preferred the uniform school, plus cmon all the hot chicks in those plaid skirts )

 

[warpus]

How the hell do you ban a genre of music that isn't really that well defined?

 

[holy king]

(btw, I take it you mean Western Germany, as here's no denying Eastern Germany was totalitarian.)

yes. born in '85, i tend to not use "west" before "germany" even when talking about earlier times.

 

[Mise]

How the hell do you ban a genre of music that isn't really that well defined?

Thanks for keeping us on the real issue!

Seriously this is sickening.

 

[ComradeDavo]

How the hell do you ban a genre of music that isn't really that well defined?

Finally someone points this out!

 

[ComradeDavo]

Thanks for keeping us on the real issue!

Well, when you think about it such a blanket 'banning' does have serious undertones for Russia reacting towards anything that isn't deemed 'acceptable' by the state.

 

[Adrogans]

Like oh I don't know, any other political parties.

 

[ComradeDavo]

Like oh I don't know, any other political parties.

Indeed, democracy is Russia is a complete sham.

 

[scy12]

well, actually germany was very restrictive regarding punks and punk music in the eighties. (and i'm sure "a danger to society" was one of the more civilized things crawling out of cdu politician's mouths at that time)



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And i think that we must also condemn that. I do think that "It's Germany so it does not matter !" is wrong on the occasion.

 

[holy king]

And i think that we must also condemn that. I do think that "It's Germany so it does not matter !" is wrong on the occasion.

i was just pointing out that germany hasnt become a totalitarian state.

 

[potatokiosk]

The Russian government thinks certain kinds of music lead to higher suicide rates. If this were true, then restricting this music would be no different from any other measure that restricts a child's freedom to protect them. I'd say this isn't a sign of Russian totalitarianism, but rather a lack of common sense, as they think music can cause suicide.

 

[Mise]

Well, when you think about it such a blanket 'banning' does have serious undertones for Russia reacting towards anything that isn't deemed 'acceptable' by the state.

Like oh I don't know, any other political parties.

The point is, if it happened in a small town in the countryside (like when Worcester Council banned Ice Cream van jingles) we'd all think the town was completely ********, but it would still be a fairly harmless act that no-one would care too much about.

But when it happens in Russia - a state that is clearly headed down the road of totalitarianism - it's hella scary.