Safer Sex
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Narz
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This is usually the case.
The only way my GF or I would give the other an STD is if we cheated on each other.
Narz
keeping it real
The only person one needs permission from is the person you're sleeping with (unless you're a Christian I guess, then you need the priest's ok).
Trajan12
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ComradeDavo
Formerly God
Teenagers have been having sex long before their was such thing as a media.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
Well what I am getting at is the sexual saturisation of our society. It is so obvious that just about everything that goes on in our society revolves around and that is not a good thing with our society obsessing so much about sex.
Trajan12
Deity
I dislike like promiscuity as much as the next guy. I think you should only have sex with someone you trust. But to have them wait until they're 18 or married in these days is just too strict and unfeasible. That's why we don't just hand out condoms, but we should educate them about sex, the phycological aspects as well as the physical.
Narz
keeping it real
I don't see "everything" in our society as being about sex. Seems like the people who obsess the most about sex are the ones who condemn it (kind of like the ones who think the most about food are those going without it).
Prove it. Find me data showing what the teen pre-marital sex rate was before the advent of the pill and condom as common contraceptives here in America. Compare that to now. I'm willing to bet good money that the stricter moral and religious fabric of society then beats the pants off today's "they are going to do it anyway, so why try to stop them" attitude. As I've said before, that line of reasoning is a cop out. Frankly, I think the people who spout that are ones who just think teens should do what they want regardless of the risks or alternatives, so adopt that philosophy to justify their position.
Trajan12
Deity
I got this information from a variety of sources so excuse me if it's a little jumbled.
Modern birth control as we know it was introduced in the 1960's.
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The condom introduced in latex forms in 1912, and polyurethane in the 90's.
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These are a few studies I've gathered that conclude that a majority of teens have engaged in some sexual act. And that even more in their late teens have had sex.
This Source shows the following of the rate of sex of people up to age 19 or 20.
By age 20 77% of respondents had sex, 75% of these before marriage, and only 12% had married.
The rest of it is based upon how many people(not just teenagers have had premarital sex, while I don't think it's exactly what we're talking about here it does add to the reasoning that most people are having sex before marriage.
People aged 44, 95% of them had premarital sex.
People who abstained until after becoming teenagers, 81% had premarital sex before 44.
Women turning 15 between 64 and 93, 91% had sex by 30.
Between 54 and 63, 82% had sex before 30.
Shows that just about all Americans believe abstinence is unreasonable.
Another study more specifically focusing on the sexual behaviors of teens.
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So I don't know if this answers your questions about before and after contraception pertaining to teenagers. But it does show that there is a gigantic number of people between 15-20 having sex. And I haven't found anything saying this trend is diminishing. So what should we do? Make sure they're safe doing it. That's not a cop out, that's making sure that the majority who do have sex do not spread STD's and do not have unplanned pregnancies.
And if they want to have sex it is highly unfeasible to stop them unless you can keep an eye on them all day and night. It would be like trying to make sure the tide didn't come in by piling a human shield by the shore.
Not really, the only true way is complete and utter life-long abstinence, as even marriage is not a foolproof way of preventing STD's from being contracted! The only way you could really be sure is if it was someone with whom you spend all your time, and never let out of your sight. Otherwise you're just relying on trust, in which case you might as well just use pulling out and hope for the best!
Clearly, you have to draw a line over what you think is safe or not. Two of my 25 year-old friends decided to sleep with each other on Saturday night- both are quite promiscuous and they didn't have a condom. They are idiots. I would never, ever do that, even with someone who isn't promiscuous (Though by definition, they'd have to be if they were sleeping with me the same night they met me!), but it's perfectly safe to have sex with someone you're not married to using a condom. Sometimes things go wrong, it's true, but you can minimise it without going crazy. Same reason I wear a seatbelt instead of refusing to get into a car altogether.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Well, the big problem is that teenagers are getting very mixed signals when it comes to sexuality.
On one hand all of the people they look up to (ie. Paris Hilton, MTV, etc.), are telling them to dress like a skank and screw everything that moves.
On the other hand breasts are censored and hidden from view and abstinence is taught in schools.
This isn't healthy at all.
Abaddon
Deity
Why do we think this is new and the inherant problem with the system?
Teen have been screwing since sliced bread.. Nothing special is currently happening.
Teen have been screwing since sliced bread.. Nothing special is currently happening.
Leifmk
Deity
As anyone who's actually made any significant effort at studying relevant aspects of history would know, the major difference between "then" and "now" ("then" being all time before approx. 1950-1960) is that premarital pregnancy used to lead to either disgrace and ruined lives, or hasty marriages. Genealogists know that firstborn children were extremely often born "a bit early".
Leifmk
Deity
Probably because most teenage boys are awkward, smelly, pimply things. I should know, I used to be one.
Do you give up driving cars because there is a chance you might crash? I don't. I minimise the risks by driving safely, but I am never going to fully give up driving because it is too convenient and too good. The anology with sex is obvious.
Basically all human activities have inherent risks. It is reasonable to try to minimise them, but completely unreasonable to try to eliminate all risks - we might as well live in bubbles.
If literature is any indication, teenagers were having as much sex as now in the past centuries.
In fact recently I read a book written in the first years of the 20th Century, detailing the daily lives of brazilians in sugar cane plantations in the Northeast, and it made me feel like mother Theresa. Those kids were having sex (and lots of it) by the time they were ten.
And you can go much before the early 20th Century. In Brazil at least, it was the norm for rich kids to sleep with the slave women when they entered their teens. Middle-class kids would go to whorehouses by the time they were 14.
We can go much before that. Ancient Rome was as prosmicous as it gets.
Basically, the "pure sex-free" society that some people picture never existed.
GinandTonic
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What Abba and GT said...
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You sir, are a biggoted throwback. Your daughter would be a slag, but your son would be a player? A chip off the old block?
You're a biggot and contemptable for it.
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Other than to add -
You sir, are a biggoted throwback. Your daughter would be a slag, but your son would be a player? A chip off the old block?
You're a biggot and contemptable for it.
]Moderator Action: Flaming - warned.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
If I had children (or a daughter, really), I'd rather if she were to have sex as a child, that she or her partner had protection.
As for in the past, until some time in the early 20th century in England, it was legal for girls aged 12 and boys aged 14 to get married with parental consent. I think in Scotland, it was legal without parental consent.
We're not just going to magically be able to stop teenagers having sex as it's natural. Most people I know had sex for the first time around 17. The least the government can do is give them the option of having safer sex by supplying free condoms.
As for in the past, until some time in the early 20th century in England, it was legal for girls aged 12 and boys aged 14 to get married with parental consent. I think in Scotland, it was legal without parental consent.
We're not just going to magically be able to stop teenagers having sex as it's natural. Most people I know had sex for the first time around 17. The least the government can do is give them the option of having safer sex by supplying free condoms.
that is probably true, I wouldn't be surprised if pre-marital sex was less common in those times, though I don't agree with you that this is necessarily a good thing. I see no problem with pre-marital or even teenage sex.
It's a fun thing to do, we just have to make sure that the people involved know about the risks and what to do to minimize them.
It's like riding a bike, basically. that's great fun too, but bears a small risk of falling over or crashing, so you teach people how to bike safely. And if they're into rough riding, wear protective gear
