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Salute to a Communist

Paul in Saudi

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Did you see the New York Times the other day?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/opinion/john-mccain-salute-to-a-communist.html

AN interesting obituary appeared in The New York Times recently, though the death of its subject last month was largely unnoticed beyond his family and friends.

That’s not surprising. Delmer Berg wasn’t a celebrity. He wasn’t someone with great wealth or influence. He had never held public office. He was a Californian. He worked as a farmhand and stonemason. He did some union organizing. He was vice president of his local N.A.A.C.P. chapter. He protested against the Vietnam War and nuclear weapons. He joined the United States Communist Party in 1943, and, according to The Times, he remained an “unreconstructed Communist” for the rest of his life. He was 100.

He was also the last known living veteran of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade.

Not many Americans younger than 70 know much about the Lincoln Brigade. It became the designation given to the nearly 3,000 mostly American volunteers who fought in the Spanish Civil War in 1937 and 1938. They fought on the Republican side, in defense of the democratically elected leftist government of Spain, and against the Nationalists, the military rebels led by Gen. Francisco Franco.


In this time of political yelling and screaming it is nice to see Senator McCain seeing there was a man behind the label.
 
This is the kind of thing why I can't understand how John McCain allowed himself to be saddled with Sarah Palin.
 
This is the kind of thing why I can't understand how John McCain allowed himself to be saddled with Sarah Palin.

That's easy: McCain wanted to be President, he was losing the election, and Palin was seen as a "game changer." This is the same reason he cashed in his "maverick" chips by selling out his own ideals and buying into the party line. :worship: Moral of the story: People who sell out always end up taking a price that is far too low.

Note: Similar to the stories of Berg and the fictitious Robert Jordan is "Homage to Catalonia," George Orwell's own story of how he fought for and was betrayed by the Communists in the Spanish Civil War. You can see there why he later felt compelled to write "Animal Farm" and "1984."
 
That's easy: McCain wanted to be President, he was losing the election, and Palin was seen as a "game changer." This is the same reason he cashed in his "maverick" chips by selling out his own ideals and buying into the party line. Moral of the story: People who sell out always end up taking a price that is far too low.
He recovered from it, eventually.
Zkribbler said:
Note: Similar to the stories of Berg and the fictitious Robert Jordan is "Homage to Catalonia," George Orwell's own story of how he fought for and was betrayed by the Communists in the Spanish Civil War. You can see there why he later felt compelled to write "Animal Farm" and "1984."
Oh yes, only someone who's lived under a communist regime can write such books.
 
He recovered from it, eventually.

I almost voted for McCann in California's 2000 open primary. He was running against Bush, and I really hated Bush. :mad: In the end, I decided it would be more appropriate for me, a Democrat, to vote in the Democratic primary. So I voted for Bradley because I was none too fond of Gore.
 
The United States brought the world mass killings? I agree.
Did we? I thought it was the Tamerlane's conquests, or maybe the Roman Conquests:
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tacitus#Quotes
Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace.
Close of chapter 30, Oxford Revised Translation
and:
The Worst Ways to Die: Torture Practices of the Ancient World
http://www.spiegel.de/international...-practices-of-the-ancient-world-a-625172.html
By Matthias Schulz

Was the cradle of civilization also the birthplace of atrocity? Historians have been researching the most extreme forms of torture in the ancient world. Among other things, they have found that, back then, "sitting in the tub" was actually a pretty nasty way to kick the bucket.

In total, Julius Caesar reckoned that he had 1,192,000 enemies killed during his reign. Meanwhile the Emperor Tiberius would have young men's urethras laced shut before force-feeding them wine. And, under Caligula, it became customary to saw noblemen in half.

It sounds bad -- but were these the cruellest of them all? Would they qualify for the barbarity top 10?

A new book, "Extreme Formen von Gewalt in Bild und Text des Altertums" (Extreme Violence in the Visuals and Texts of Antiquity) by Martin Zimmerman, a professor of ancient history in Munich, looks at current research into the kinds of violence that inspired "loathing, dread, horror and disgust."

Its conclusion? In the ancient Far East, where there were large states peopled by many different ethnicities, leaders demonstrated their might by inventing ingenious new tortures and agonizing methods of execution -- as a way to keep the population obedient.

Grisly Ends

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and the US is unable to decide whether to 'Water board or not.'

Lord, lord, lord ... we're a bunch of sissys compared to the past.

If you resisted the Mongols they wiped your people of the face of the earth, resist the USA and we'll hit you everything including the kitchen sink, then we'll try rebuilding you.

Yes, your right, we're the worst mankind has ever seen. :rolleyes:
 
So, rather than salute a deceased American veteran, you'd rather rant about the deaths caused by totalitarian regimes in the last century? That makes sense. :rolleyes:
 
So, rather than salute a deceased American veteran, you'd rather rant about the deaths caused by totalitarian regimes in the last century? That makes sense. :rolleyes:
Was he a veteran of of a US war, if he was backing communism in the Cold War ... yes, but he was on the other side.
 
"The other side". I dunno if you've heard, but the Cold War ended some time ago.
 
The Cold War never ends until the great cities of man are turned into a pile of smoking rubble.
 
Well, seeing as you're our local expert on actually living in a post-Communist nation, I think you have the most credibility in this thread by far.
 
"The other side". I dunno if you've heard, but the Cold War ended some time ago.
:lol: Yes, I lived through it and well remember the fall of the wall. What a relief. Much like VE and VJ days, remember those too ... no more Allied troops being killed fight evil.

That guy your saluting was most likely saddened when the wall fell. The likes of him gave us North Korea, my heros gave us South Korea.
 
Of course, your "heroes" also did things like intervening into South American nations when the "other side" decided to do ridiculous things as not bowing down to American business interests, or causing a bloody war in order to preserve a colonial remnant in Southeast Asia, or creating the perfect storm for which we're currently being so scared of travelling with a plane or travelling in a large European city with a group of more than 20 people.

How brave of them.
 
"That guy your saluting was most likely saddened when the wall fell."

Seems unlikely. The American Left lost interest in Communism after Budapest.
Didn't the article say he died an unrepentant Communist?
 
Even if he was a total communist who chants the passages of Marx & Engels while shaving, does it matter? Is not the freedom of choosing your political ideas one of the core ideas that America's founded upon? Or is it only confined to the ones that are "normal" and not threatening the comfortable system that is established?
 
Of course, your "heroes" also did things like intervening into South American nations when the "other side" decided to do ridiculous things as not bowing down to American business interests, or causing a bloody war in order to preserve a colonial remnant in Southeast Asia, or creating the perfect storm for which we're currently being so scared of travelling with a plane or travelling in a large European city with a group of more than 20 people.

How brave of them.
You forgot we rebelled against the British Empire, the most progressive nation on earth at the time.

As for South America, why are they such a mess? Did the US do it? Or its it a mess of their own making. Take Mexico it's got all that oil and some of the most beautiful land in the world, it should be a rich democracy, but, how many Americans are fighting to set up residence there, how many Mexicans want to live in the US?

As for preserving a SE Asia colonial remnant, France wasn't in our Vietnam War.

And for the 'Perfect Storm', was Mohammad a US political/spiritual leader?

As for bombings and such, are you saying suicide bombers are a result of Iraq:

Link to video.

One of many and before 911.

and How about airplane hijacking:


Link to video.

One of many.
 
Even if he was a total communist who chants the passages of Marx & Engels while shaving, does it matter? Is not the freedom of choosing your political ideas one of the core ideas that America's founded upon? Or is it only confined to the ones that are "normal" and not threatening the comfortable system that is established?
Yes, but I've the right not to salute him and to post why.
 
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