[GS] Science victory - GS - Elimination thread

[Kmart_Elvis]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [20]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [20]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12] (11+1) I don't think it's really fair that she is at risk of going out first. I've taken France (under Catherine though) to SV before. 20% production to wonders gives you an advantage to Oxford, Big Ben, Ruhr etc. for more science, gold, and production. If you are suzerain of some scientific city states, you also got the bonus towards building Kilwa, which is even more science. If Babylon is in the game, that's science from your great works of writing. So it's definitely contingent on some factors in your game, and certainly not the best leader for scientific victory, but she at least has those tricks that can help her.
9. Eleanor/England [17]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [20]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [17]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [20]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [20]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [20]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [17] (20-17) Just so overwhelmingly skilled towards domination with nothing special about this civ that leans into SV strategies. Other Dom civs like Sumeria or Hungary have more flexibility instead of being shoehorned into a conventional domination strategy.
40. Tamar/Georgia [18]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [15]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [22]

 

[Lily_Lancer]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [20]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [20]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [17]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [20]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [17]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [21=20+1] I give this an upvote, basically it is a free forbidden city, a free potala palace, with social media, besides the Acropolis.
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [20]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [20]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [17]
40. Tamar/Georgia [18]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [12=15-3] Of course downvote this worst one.
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [22]

 

[Disgustipated]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [20]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [20]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [17]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [20]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [17]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [20]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [20]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [14] = 17 - 3 Strictly war orientated. As mentioned taking cities makes everything easier, but can a civ like this do it with an isolated start? While nothing is stopping you from getting a SV, it won't be impressive.
40. Tamar/Georgia [18]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [12]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23] = 22 + 1 All around pretty great. Good adjacencies for important districts (also even better since aqueduct which is often next to a river boosts industrial zones).

 

[Sostratus]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [20]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [20]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [17]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [20]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [20]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [5] = 8-3 If this was civ5 and science from population mattered, King J would be a beast. But it doesn't matter; the extra potatoes he grows in his aqueducts don't matter, the spare rooms he rents in his holy sites don't matter. Even the elephants are mediocre.
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [17]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [20]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21] = 20+1 Do you hate shelling out top beaker for technologies? Introducing Dynastic Cycles! Cutting edge tech can cost you thousands! Don't be a sucker - switch to Qin today and get 25% more with every eureka! And if you order in the next 15 minutes, we'll throw in a complimentary builder charge! 1-800-BUY-QIN!!
But seriously, it nets out to 20% faster tech rate on anything you get eurekas for, which is many if not most techs and civics. It's an understated boost that just works.
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [14]
40. Tamar/Georgia [18]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [12]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[kryat]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [20]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [20]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18] (17+1) What I’m going to say here goes for Victoria as well. England is fantastic at science victories. WoW gives you massive coal yields, necessary for coal plants, which have the best production yield of all power plants. Only Germany rivals England’s production.
The easy access to power supercharges all of England’s factories and science labs also through WoW, giving you a mid-late game catapult towards space.
Normally, this would come at risk of flooding, but England has that covered with cheap and efficient engineers who can build flood walls faster than anyone, and it means you can use global warming offensively to stall out coastal cities of opponents without war. Those engineers will also help building more aqueducts, canals, and dams to juice your IZs (and coal plants) even farther.
Cheap coal and iron also mean you can have abundant railroads, giving you easy movement for builders to rush launches with Royal Academy.
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [17] (20-3) Horse trading won’t get you to space.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [20]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [5]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [17]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [20]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [14]
40. Tamar/Georgia [18]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [12]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[Leucarum]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [20]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [20]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [17]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [20]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [5]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [17]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [20]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [22] (21+1) Any time you see +X% to a yield is going to be a good time...
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [14]
40. Tamar/Georgia [15] (18-3) No major benefits towards a science victory. Maybe a few extra golden age dedications?
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [12]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[Hogimus]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [20]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [20]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [17]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [20]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [2] (5-3) Love the Khmer, but don’t see many science bonuses.
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [17]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [20]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [22]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [14]
40. Tamar/Georgia [15]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [13] (12+1) I don’t see how you can argue they have no bonuses when they have an outright production bonus on tundra and snow, and enough other bonuses to those terrains to make them able to take better advantage of mountains or geothermal adjacencies there. Besides the direct production, there’s the production saved by not being at war. Also, besides Russia, no one but Canada is in a better position to get Amundsen-Scott. This may not be everyone’s meta, but it is something. There are Civs here that actually have no bonuses to SV. Faith may help with a SV, but how does it help on Deity when you’re using all of it to keep your religion alive or buying units so you don’t get overrun.
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[BenitoChavez]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [20]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [20]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [17]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21] = 20 + 1. With a bit of proper planning Hojo can consistently get +6 adjacency campuses and +8 adjacency industrial zones, if not higher. Plus the extra adjacency on the other districts help tangentially.
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [ELIMINATED] = 2 - 3. Poor Jaya. He's a lot of fun and good at culture/religion but no science boosts doesn't cut it.
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [17]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [20]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [22]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [14]
40. Tamar/Georgia [15]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [13]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[bengalryan9]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [20]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [20]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [17]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14] (17-3) Likely to want to build holy sites and sugubas before campuses, and less production from mines certainly isn't going to help complete all of the projects...
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [20]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [22]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [14]
40. Tamar/Georgia [15]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [14] (13+1) Must be nice being so good at the game you can just shrug off being completely immune to declarations of war for the whole game like it's no big deal. All Korea's science bonuses aren't going to help much if she spawns with Monty and his hoards of Eagle Warriors on her doorstep, and while everyone else is spending their early turns training and replacing troops, Wilfred's just laughing and setting up his campuses. He's certainly not the best at SV or even in the top half, but downvoted already? Nah.
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [17] (20-3) With so much focus on domination and religion, there's really nothing in his kit for SV.
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [20]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [17]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21] (20+1) Tall, productive cities fueled by strong internal trade routes and the excellent Mekewap UI are a great backbone for a scientific victory strategy.
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [22]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [14]
40. Tamar/Georgia [15]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [14]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[Lily_Lancer]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [18=17+1] He can start his expansion quite early with those 45 strength horsemen, while other civs, if trying to use similar strategy, will first have to get himself into a dark age, and still face much more obstacle (since even though they only have 41 strength horseman) than Mongolia.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [20]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [22]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [14]
40. Tamar/Georgia [15]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [11=14-3] The worst one. In fact its Civ ability is only as bad as Kongo and not worse , however Kongo has a very good starting bias, and Canada's starting bias is as terrible as its Civ ability.
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[Disgustipated]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [18]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [20]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [20]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [21] = 20 + 1 don't knock those high adjacency campus districts surrounded by rainforest. I tried it once, and it worked out well. A little help with GP points is always nice too
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [22]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [11] = 14 - 3 Domination focused, and even worse their focus isn't in the early game. Takes a while before they can really get going.
40. Tamar/Georgia [15]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [11]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[Ceydezed]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [18]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21] = 20 + 1 - The ability to do science with Gitarja has augmented quite a lot in the past months. Since last patch: better adjacencies (special ability + reef), better production in coastal cities. She probably is not as fast to win as others, but she can reliably get quite a good science output. Downside though, less land so less mines, so can still be lacking production end game.
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtin/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17] = 20 - 3 - Dunno if it's just me but the ability of Kongo to spawn in the middle of flat jungle with low production is quite impressive. He has no bonuses towards science and is clearly geared toward culture. Sure it is important for science win but honestly you really need a good planet alignment to pull this off.
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [21]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [22]
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [11]
40. Tamar/Georgia [15]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [11]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[Loderingo]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [17]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [18]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtin/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [21]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23] 22+1 - Great for science victories with bonuses to both science and production
36. Saladin/Arabia [20]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [11]
40. Tamar/Georgia [12] 15-3 - Should be next to go. No bonuses to science or production and not even a good UU
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [11]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[Nassim]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [14] 17-3 : no bonus to science or production, not even situational bonus for Science City States, Gandhi can only hope on science bonus through religion, which won't lead very far. Chandragupta isn't much better but can at least aim at SV through domination.
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [18]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtin/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [21]
30. Pericles/Greece [21]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21] 20+1 They might lack some production bonus to be the very best at SV, but the mix of faith and science gives it a unique and very efficient path to SV, more fun to play than more straightforward ones like Korea
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [11]
40. Tamar/Georgia [12]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [11]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[Victoria]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [14]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [18]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtin/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [21]
30. Pericles/Greece [22] (21+1) The cultural ability ties in with the suzerain ability just dovetails into science really well. Anyone can get adjacency on their campus nowadays and an SV does not need high production.
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [11]
40. Tamar/Georgia [12]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [8] (11-3) Just appalling, benefits on tundra aree like sugar on rhubarb. Cannot surprise war, cannot attack CS, playing on prince is fine but with SV you need 10+ cities to do well and nowadays you just get crowded out unless you can do something about it. At least with Faith you do not need a religion and you do get a lot of faith, a real decent benefit with monumentality, one of the most OP mechanics in the game. I have won an SV with Wilfred on Immortal and that win put me off doing another SV with him.
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[BenitoChavez]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [11] = 14 - 3. Similar to the Khmer, a bunch of religious and growth bonuses don't directly help a science victory.
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [18]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtin/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [21]
30. Pericles/Greece [22]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [11]
40. Tamar/Georgia [12]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [9] = 8 + 1. Wilfrid isn't great but he shouldn't go yet. Not needing to worry about a turn 20 rush against 5 warriors is rather nice. My first Canada win was actually a science victory due to a poor map for national parks.
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[Hogimus]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [17]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [8] (11-3) Has to sink production into getting a religion to have any kind of SV bonus from Monumentality, but also has to sink a lot of production to avoid being conquered on higher difficulties.
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [18]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtin/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [21]
30. Pericles/Greece [22]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [11]
40. Tamar/Georgia [12]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [10] (9+1) Being immune to war is a big SV bonus. I can spend my production on Settlers, workers, or Campuses instead of units or walls. Getting more production than other Civs is a SV bonus. Tundra is as good as plains for Canada, even more so with Goddess of the Hunt. To the CS point, how can you give points for a SV to one Civ because how amazing they are at getting suzerain bonuses (which for SV, are very limited), and take away points because another Civ can't conquer CSs? Are CSs good for SV or not? To the point about religion, nothing is stopping you as Canada from building a bunch of holy sites to benefit from Monumentality, in fact tundra bias makes Dance of the Auroras more viable. The only difference between Canada and a religious Civ is that if Canada does this, they don't have to worry that they'll get overrun after sinking a bunch of production into this instead of units for defence.
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[kryat]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18] (17+1) Why bother building campuses when you can just steal your way? Spies are useful for both offense and defense in science victory. Nothing is more annoying than trying to launch your rocket when an IZ gets sabotaged and it will take another 5 more turns than expected. Catherine has enough spies to be wreaking havok on opponents through sabotage of rockets, IZs, and dams, and still have some left over to defend her own.
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [18]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtin/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [21]
30. Pericles/Greece [22]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [11]
40. Tamar/Georgia [12]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [14] (17-3) Arguably a worse improvement than Georgia, and no bonuses to science, production, spies, or envoys.
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [10]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]

 

[bengalryan9]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [20]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [21]
8. Eleanor/France [12]
9. Eleanor/England [18]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15] (18-3) Gotta love these threads...

Who is best at domination victory? The guy who has a leg up on conquering everything.
Who is best at diplomatic victory? The guy who can conquer everything.
Who is best at scientific victory? Obviously the guy who can conquer everything.
Who is best at cultural victory? Definitely the guy who can conquer everything.
Who is best at religious victory? Clearly and without question the guy who can conquer everything.

I guess when you have a hammer everything is a nail, but uh... not everyone wants to play that way.

13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria[21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [20]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [21]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17]
20. John Curtin/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweeden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [20]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [14]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [22]
29. Pedro/Brazil [21]
30. Pericles/Greece [22]
31. Peter/Russia [17]
32. Philip/Spain [20]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [23]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [24]
39. Shaka/Zulu [11]
40. Tamar/Georgia [12]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [11] (10+1) Glad to see I'm not the only plebian Civ player who values complete and utter immunity to war for the entire game. Is Wilfrid going to get you the fastest science victory in the world? No, and a lot of us could care less about that TBH. Is Wilfrid going to get you a game over in the ancient era? No, and that absolutely matters.
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [23]