SCOTUS Nomination II: I Like Beer

[hobbsyoyo]

I find pure apathy to be a bigger problem than lack of knowledge.

 

[Dachs]

In the end I do not have faith in millenials to turn out and vote in November to rectify this situation, much less 2020. These events have destroyed what little faith I had in our political process.

well that came out of nowhere

 

[bernie14]

.....These events have destroyed what little faith I had in our political process.

Apathy will help you deal with it

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I find pure apathy to be a bigger problem than lack of knowledge.

Maybe. I think that I see a whole lot of that apathy dressed up in the "all politicians are alike so why bother" justification though. And that position is founded on "the GOP has gutted every environmental regulation ever written, but the Democrats didn't ban all fossil fuels immediately without consideration for how people get to work the next day so same," "the GOP invaded Iraq but Obama didn't order immediate evacuation and restoring dead Hussain to life and power to restore peace in Iraq so same," "the GOP accelerates wealth disparity at every turn, but Democrats didn't vote for instantaneous equity leveling which I have no clue regarding how to implement so same," etc etc etc...and all of those are lack of knowledge.

 

[FriendlyFire]

In the end I do not have faith in millenials to turn out and vote in November to rectify this situation, much less 2020. These events have destroyed what little faith I had in our political process.

Republicans normally learn by urinating on the electrical fence multiple times.
This time its the farmers, maufactorers and rual america that are going to be the ones getting it good and hard.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

well that came out of nowhere

I'm upset and that's how I genuinely feel. I don't know what you mean here.

Maybe. I think that I see a whole lot of that apathy dressed up in the "all politicians are alike so why bother" justification though. And that position is founded on "the GOP has gutted every environmental regulation ever written, but the Democrats didn't ban all fossil fuels immediately without consideration for how people get to work the next day so same," "the GOP invaded Iraq but Obama didn't order immediate evacuation and restoring dead Hussain to life and power to restore peace in Iraq so same," "the GOP accelerates wealth disparity at every turn, but Democrats didn't vote for instantaneous equity leveling which I have no clue regarding how to implement so same," etc etc etc...and all of those are lack of knowledge.

Fair points

Republicans normally learn by urinating on the electrical fence multiple times.
This time its the farmers, maufactorers and rual america that are going to be the ones getting it good and hard.

That's a problem in and of itself. No one should get it good and hard.

 

[Berzerker]

I called this one wrong, I was positive the GOP would find another nominee... this will help the Dems in November

another bad call?

 

[metalhead]

For some reason, we have a media system that manages to choose hard right wing and center-left as the two sides that debate every issue. The right is given unending deference and validation, while the left doesn't even get a seat at the table.

I don't know why that is. I don't understand why it's taboo to point out that there is no earthly reason to elevate an ill-tempered serial abuser with a potentially unresolved drinking problem to the Supreme Court. There is no justification for it, but nobody even bothered to ask for a justification. It's just assumed that it's OK. Like the whole thing was just some speed bump, and not wholly disqualifying under any reasonable standard of what we should aspire to have sitting on the Supreme Court.

Shouldn't it be OK to demand explanations? Why do we just take for granted that people having the power to do things automatically makes them acceptable? It's like we don't even know how to question authority any more. Isn't that supposed to be some American virtue? How did that die, exactly?

 

[Sommerswerd]

Several red-state Senators that are running for re-election will likely vote in favor. Manchin is ahead of the group.

I agree that Manchin is ahead of the Red State Senators... leading the Red State Senators into the future... that's a very good way of describing him... a leader of Red State Senators.

EDIT: I also have to admit that I was wrong about Murkowski... I thought she would pull a Collins as well.

For some reason, we have an media system electorate that manages to choose hard right wing and center-left as the two sides that debate every issue. The right is given unending deference and validation, while the left doesn't even get a seat at the table.

FTFY

I don't know why that is.

See above.

 

[Berzerker]

we need open primaries, thats the only way I can see to moderate government

 

[Sommerswerd]

It's funny how Collins takes in millions from corporate sponsorship but she brands small time, grassroots donation efforts to support a rival candidate to be 'bribes' and political hostage-taking.

In the end I do not have faith in millenials to turn out and vote in November to rectify this situation, much less 2020. These events have destroyed what little faith I had in our political process.

Don't blame Collins, she's a Republican. If Manchin had told her he was voting no and announced early today, that would have put the ball in her strong, womanly hands... but Manchin was an effing slithery snake and hid behind Collins.

Manchin is the one to blame. I wish I could move to West Virginia just to vote against him. At this point there's only...

TLDR: There is only... The WAR

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I feel like this sums things up with the GOP:

Spoiler :

I wonder how many of these Senators actually believe he committed sexual assaults and just don't care.

 

[FriendlyFire]

That's a problem in and of itself. No one should get it good and hard.

Republicans need to elect a Lincoln or a FDR, into power
Saddly though the deplorable keep electing snake oil salesman's and inviting them into their home then are surprised when the snake bites them. You would think they would have learnt the last time they elected G.W.Bush twice

 

[JollyRoger]

I believe that Manchin and Murowski agreed to give each other cover by both crossing the aisle.

 

[Dachs]

I'm upset and that's how I genuinely feel. I don't know what you mean here.

I mean, I get that you're upset, and justifiably so, but the "lol millennials" thing is basically unfounded and came out of nowhere. It just reads like more trite groundless generation-bashing, and I thought you were better than that.

 

[HoloDoc]

I mean, I get that you're upset, and justifiably so, but the "lol millennials" thing is basically unfounded and came out of nowhere. It just reads like more trite groundless generation-bashing, and I thought you were better than that.

Millennials almost universally vote against the scum. They're just outnumbered. Of course, your silly voting system doesn't help.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I mean, I get that you're upset, and justifiably so, but the "lol millennials" thing is basically unfounded and came out of nowhere. It just reads like more trite groundless generation-bashing, and I thought you were better than that.

If I recall correctly they did not turn out in 2016 and cost Hillary the election. That's what I'm basing that off of. I would love to be wrong. This is also a midterm where the youth turnout is typically depressed as well which adds to my apprehension.

And I am a millenial, not that that excuses generation bashing or whatever. But that's not my intent, I'm just calling it like I see it.

 

[Synobun]

If I recall correctly they did not turn out in 2016 and cost Hillary the election. That's what I'm basing that off of. I would love to be wrong.

There was a stat released a couple days ago that said that (correct me if I'm wrong) over 70% of eligible voters of a more advanced age were going to vote while less than 40% of those under 25 were going to. Millennial and now Gen-Z turnout is abysmal. It is a valid concern.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I had hoped that 2016 was the lesson they only needed to learn once but I guess we'll see.

 

[Dachs]

If I recall correctly they did not turn out in 2016 and cost Hillary the election. That's what I'm basing that off of. I would love to be wrong. This is also a midterm where the youth turnout is typically depressed as well which adds to my apprehension.

And I am a millenial, not that that excuses generation bashing or whatever. But that's not my intent, I'm just calling it like I see it.

Millennials were the only age group that saw increased participation in the 2016 election over 2012. The increase was relatively small, and probably comes down in significant part to millennials simply getting older and having more of a stake in voting, but it stood out compared to other age groups. The youngest cohorts of voters still have lower overall turnout than older ones, which is a concern, but they have always had lower turnout than older cohorts for a variety of reasons and framing this as a "millennial" problem is ahistorical.

There are a lot of groups that "did not turn out" in 2016. Some of them didn't turn out compared to the Obama years, like black Americans; some of them continued an earlier trend of rarely voting, like Hispanic Americans. People have found all manner of statistical scapegoats for the election's outcome, but most of the people who harp about Group X have some sort of an agenda. The reality is that Clinton won the popular vote by a lot, and that increased millennial turnout mostly would have continued to run up the score in places that would not have helped. Getting angry about the voting habits of people in states that Trump lost is silly under glorious first-past-the-post/winner-take-all. Getting angry about the Electoral College, one of the interrelated defects in American government that allows for the existence of undemocratic minority rule, makes a great deal more sense - as does getting angry about other forms of vote suppression and gerrymandering.