SCOTUS Nomination II: I Like Beer

[metalhead]

Yeah both sides are exactly the same

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The US is a failed state.

Yup. All over but the bloodshed. Hard to imagine what a civil war in a modern technology setting is going to look like.

 

[innonimatu]

No, it isn't. As @metalhead points out, the US has a huge population of genuinely terrible people.

You know, many of those older people who voter for Trump are the same ones who before voted for Obama. They were great people and then they became terrible people?

 

[Arwon]

Anti democratic takeovers of presidential republics don't typically involve civil wars.

 

[AdrienIer]

Coming back after a year and a half just to insult everyone. Some people are amazing.

 

[Arwon]

Fascists know their moment I guess

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You know, many of those older people who voter for Trump are the same ones who before voted for Obama. They were great people and then they became terrible people?

This is basically false, and has been demonstrated to be basically false. The occasional dingbat appearing on Faux News claiming to have voted for Obama and then for Trump does not make "many."

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Anti democratic takeovers of presidential republics don't typically involve civil wars.

When has one happened in a country with as large a population of heavily armed people as the US? Once the intention is made unmistakably obvious there is going to be a widespread and dangerous response that will certainly call for a cleansing.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Kidiot?

 

[metalhead]

Well, i admitted that both sides rationalize, heck, i do it all the time BUT you dont seem to want to admit it, although you did it in this very post, you see, you took a generalization ("republicans are terrible people"), justfied it with two specific "logical" circumstaces and then ended with some other wacky generalization

This is non-responsive. These are specific, high profile actions that to any reasonable person constitute a huge moral failing - specifically, permitting sex criminals to occupy high ranking seats of power within the party. Including the president, if you want to be real about it.

Seriously, answer the question. Rationalization is a universal human trait. I'm not asking IF people can rationalize it - people can rationalize anything. I'm asking you to dig deeper, look at the moral underpinnings of the Republican party over the last 2 years, and tell me how it is anything other than a complete and utter moral failure.

No whataboutisms. No rationalizations. I mean take it on its own merits. Can you?

 

[metalhead]

You know, many of those older people who voter for Trump are the same ones who before voted for Obama. They were great people and then they became terrible people?

Lots of terrible people voted for Obama. What a stupid thing to say.

 

[Arwon]

When has one happened in a country with as large a population of heavily armed people as the US? Once the intention is made unmistakably obvious there is going to be a widespread and dangerous response that will certainly call for a cleansing.

The thing is plenty of you still don't think it's obvious, and people have already let a heap of things go. You've had voter suppression for a long time without that causing much turmoil, for instance.

 

[Ajidica]

PAH! Wishing to silence my dissenting position is the true fascism. WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE WINS! RED TIDE NOVEMBER!

Wasn't "red tide" a phrase Thatcher used to talk about the trade unions and the NUM?
The GOP being associated with the color red in the US -while in the rest of the world the left is associated with that color- is super annoying.

LGBTQ DON'T NEED MORE PROTECTIONS THAT EVERYONE ELSE!

I know I'm going to regret asking this, but various right wing rent-a-pundits always say the left doesn't reach out to understand the deplorables so I'll bite: what sort of protections do you think LGBT individuals are asking for that are not extended to other people?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The thing is plenty of you still don't think it's obvious, and people have already let a heap of things go. You've had voter suppression for a long time without that causing much turmoil, for instance.

Because that voter suppression hasn't obviously been sufficient to make a great deal of difference. The results in November are either going to be obviously tampered with (Trump's "red wave"), or they are going to be announced as tampered with and decertified. The takeover has gone far enough at this point that control of the house passing to the Democrats cannot be allowed to happen. Holding an election and then decertifying the undesirable result is a tipping point where the protests go from ugly to intolerable and have to be violently put down, and once that pin is pulled there's no putting it back. If cops in California follow an order to violently put down protests that are that obviously justified they will be overrun, and if the California National guard gets called out under those circumstances all it would be doing is handing over military equipment to the protesters. I'd guess that all of the productive regions of the country are similarly positioned.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Wasn't "red tide" a phrase Thatcher used to talk about the trade unions and the NUM?
The GOP being associated with the color red in the US -while in the rest of the world the left is associated with that color- is super annoying.


I know I'm going to regret asking this, but various right wing rent-a-pundits always say the left doesn't reach out to understand the deplorables so I'll bite: what sort of protections do you think LGBT individuals are asking for that are not extended to other people?

Please don't quote him as if he can be reasoned with.

 

[bernie14]

Guess we should all stick to our own neighborhoods....

 

[Arwon]

Because that voter suppression hasn't obviously been sufficient to make a great deal of difference.

I think this is an optimistic reading of the 2016 election to be honest. The Voting Rights Act was already dead. Florida is permanently tilted by lifetime disenfranchisement of felons, voter ID stuff heavily changes things in Wisconsin, Ohio has major roll purges.

That's even before we talk about the longer term background suppression via things like polling place density and resourcing. People are very normalised to a pretty high level of racially skewed vote suppression.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Guess we should all stick to our own neighborhoods....

Yeah, people like ADH really should confine themselves. In regards to you, I wouldn't socialize. If you want to rationally discuss politics I'm willing, but that doesn't mean I like you.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I think this is an optimistic reading of the 2016 election to be honest. Florida is permanently tilted by lifetime disenfranchisement of felons, voter ID stuff heavily changes things in Wisconsin, Ohio has major roll purges.

That's even before we talk about the longer term background suppression via things like polling place density and resourcing

Key word was "obviously." While I agree with you on every point that you have made it would be impossible to demonstrate those things to someone who isn't interested in sitting down to look at information. The president announcing that due to Chinese interference the election results cannot be certified basically can't be ignored even by people who have no interest at all. The immediate crash of "oh, crap, now what then?" ends the opportunity to be apathetic.

 

[Arwon]

I guess I'm not yet convinced of the revolutionary potential of your typical liberal or all the centrist civility dickheads that make up a lot of support for the Democrats. I can absolutely see them both sidesing or, like, quoting Aaron Sorkin on Facebook in response to such a decree.