SCOTUS Nomination II: I Like Beer

[Sommerswerd]

He didn't need them to believe it. All he needed to do was say stuff under oath that, if true, would make it impossible to claim he was guilty. Then they could go ahead and confirm him like they had planned to all along.

The fact that none of it was true, and that in fact a lot of it wasn't even credible on its face never mattered. The calendar was just like the rest of his testimony in that regard.

Which is part of why he and the Republicans on the committee were so indignant and frustrated. Kavanaugh shows up for what is essentially supposed to be a coronation, and instead the silly Democrats start asking questions, like they didn't get the memo. I'm reminded of that cartoon somebody posted of the guy getting the medal. The Republicans were putting the medal around his neck, and the stupid Democrats all of a sudden want to have a "hearing"

You could almost see/hear the Republicans thinking "Seriously?!? HE'S GETTING CONFIRMED NO MATTER WHAT YOU A-HOLES! Stop wasting everybody's time! Daines has a wedding to go to."

 

[HoloDoc]

Which is part of why he and the Republicans on the committee were so indignant and frustrated. Kavanaugh shows up for what is essentially supposed to be a coronation, and instead the silly Democrats start asking questions, like they didn't get the memo. I'm reminded of that cartoon somebody posted of the guy getting the medal. The Republicans were putting the medal around his neck, and the stupid Democrats all of a sudden want to have a "hearing"

You could almost see/hear the Republicans thinking "Seriously?!? HE'S GETTING CONFIRMED NO MATTER WHAT YOU A-HOLES! Stop wasting everybody's time! Daines has a wedding to go to."

"Stop the confirmation! I have a video of the candidate molesting half a dozen children in front of a crowd of witnesses, all of whom have signed affidavits and are willing to testify!"

"Sit down and shut up, we have a confirmation to push through. Besides, Hillary's e-mails! Time to vote."

 

[Naskra]

Here's where I am skeptical.

Not near skeptical enough. Consider how well-crafted Ford's story is:

She goes to a party, except it's not a party, just a pre-party, the one before the heavy drinking. She can't know that, this bit is here to establish how truly debauched these people are.
"I had one beer". LOL of course, but quite evocative. By saying these words, the jaded party girl in front of you is transformed to Chrissy, the vulnerable schoolgirl.
Then she goes upstairs. What kind of stairs? Narrow stairs. Why narrow? Because, fellow moviegoer, something sinister is up there. In psych class, this is called priming.
And sure enough, it's a teen horror movie - elitist ogres are lurking in the shadows; it's a conspiracy to gang-rape!
Now comes the the brilliancy: she saddles Brett with a corroborating witness. As luck would have it, Mark Judge is the only person in the available social universe with negative credibility, his presence actually harms Brett's story. It's a day ending with Y, therefore Mark is blackout drunk, and by extension, so is anyone within beer range of him. The boys can't remember the incident because it's medically impossible to do so. Their hippocampi are crippled by blackoutedness.
Lastly, she is not quite ravished, saved by a one-piece bathing suit. Why this item? Because it's not what you would wear if you were looking for heavy boy/girl action. No, Chrissy is a wholesome athletic-type girl who is totally not wearing her new thong from Victoria's Secret.

It's a really good story, quite professionally suggestive. Too good to be true. No detail can possibly be controverted. The story is does maximum damage to Brett at minimum risk to Chrissy. Excellent lawyering here.
For the cynically minded: https://www.google.com/search?q=for...69i60j69i59.5885j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
$600K+ and counting.

 

[sophie]

What the damn hell did I just read.

The story is does maximum damage to Brett at minimum risk to Chrissy. Excellent lawyering here.

Also this is demonstrably false. Unless by "maximum damage" you mean "still gets the job and doesn't go to jail" and by "minimum risk" you mean "receives death threats for a month and has to vacate her home"

 

[Azem.Ocram]

Virtually everything in national politics for the past 2 years has been unprecedented and deplorable. If we do not impeach Trump, Pence, and Kavinaugh, the USA will never recover our once good image. Standing up to the current administration without really doing anything won’t save Blue States’ images in the international committe.

 

[Naskra]

receives death threats for a month

The death threats are like the therapist's notes, we haven't seen them and we aren't going to.

 

[El_Machinae]

Naskra, I don't share your Theory regarding the financial motive on Ford's part. First off, she is a professional situation where notoriety has to be balanced with Fame.

Secondly, I don't think you can balance $600,000 with death threats. At least, that balance needs to be factored in . Remember, she came forward in a world where a pizza joint will actually get shot up because Clinton is running a child porn ring in it

 

[El_Machinae]

Yes. He spent a great deal of time deliberately mischaracterizing the calendar itself. He gambled that if he told enough convincing lies that the half of his audience was speaking to would believe his story and evidence and give him a pass.

To be clear, my skepticism is that the assault happened on that July 1st calendar date.

 

[Naskra]

Naskra, I don't share your Theory regarding the financial motive on Ford's part

The money is just a bonus factoid, I don't consider it motive. I have no idea what happened at that party, and I don't think anyone is telling the truth. The possibility I was offering is that something like this could have happened:

Bret has a few beers, feels frisky, tackles Chrissy unto the bed, some groping and tickling on his part, some squealing and giggling on hers, Mark jumps in the fun and they all tumble onto the floor laughing. Take that story to right lawyer, and with just minor tweaking, voila, attempted rape.

 

[HoloDoc]

Not near skeptical enough. Consider how well-crafted Ford's story is:

She goes to a party, except it's not a party, just a pre-party, the one before the heavy drinking. She can't know that, this bit is here to establish how truly debauched these people are.
"I had one beer". LOL of course, but quite evocative. By saying these words, the jaded party girl in front of you is transformed to Chrissy, the vulnerable schoolgirl.
Then she goes upstairs. What kind of stairs? Narrow stairs. Why narrow? Because, fellow moviegoer, something sinister is up there. In psych class, this is called priming.
And sure enough, it's a teen horror movie - elitist ogres are lurking in the shadows; it's a conspiracy to gang-rape!
Now comes the the brilliancy: she saddles Brett with a corroborating witness. As luck would have it, Mark Judge is the only person in the available social universe with negative credibility, his presence actually harms Brett's story. It's a day ending with Y, therefore Mark is blackout drunk, and by extension, so is anyone within beer range of him. The boys can't remember the incident because it's medically impossible to do so. Their hippocampi are crippled by blackoutedness.
Lastly, she is not quite ravished, saved by a one-piece bathing suit. Why this item? Because it's not what you would wear if you were looking for heavy boy/girl action. No, Chrissy is a wholesome athletic-type girl who is totally not wearing her new thong from Victoria's Secret.

It's a really good story, quite professionally suggestive. Too good to be true. No detail can possibly be controverted. The story is does maximum damage to Brett at minimum risk to Chrissy. Excellent lawyering here.
For the cynically minded: https://www.google.com/search?q=for...69i60j69i59.5885j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
$600K+ and counting.

So we've just established that you are a rape apologist and all-around awful person. Good to know.

Riddle me this; if all she was after was money, why not produce multiple witnesses in her favour? I can literally go outside and pay a hobo $50 right now to say you keep a goat in your bedroom for sex. How hard would it be for Dr Ford to pay off a few gal pals from high school? It's not like George Soros is strapped for cash, what with heading that International Jewish Conspiracy and all.

 

[HoloDoc]

The money is just a bonus factoid, I don't consider it motive. I have no idea what happened at that party, and I don't think anyone is telling the truth. The possibility I was offering is that something like this could have happened:

Bret has a few beers, feels frisky, tackles Chrissy unto the bed, some groping and tickling on his part, some squealing and giggling on hers, Mark jumps in the fun and they all tumble onto the floor laughing. Take that story to right lawyer, and with just minor tweaking, voila, attempted rape.

Victim blaming at its most disgusting right here ladies and gentlemen. I suppose the dirty slut was dressed provocatively and asking for it, hey? Nudge nudge, wink wink, how's your father? If she didn't want it she wouldn't have had a drink, hey?

 

[El_Machinae]

Bret has a few beers, feels frisky, tackles Chrissy unto the bed, some groping and tickling on his part, some squealing and giggling on hers, Mark jumps in the fun and they all tumble onto the floor laughing. Take that story to right lawyer, and with just minor tweaking, voila, attempted rape.

... except that she had expressed the stress about the event literally years before lawyers got involved.

Honestly, your posting on this topic is really disgusting. I'm going to stop engaging with you on it.

 

[Gori the Grey]

The death threats are like the therapist's notes, we haven't seen them and we aren't going to.

If only there had been some kind of investigatory body who could have subpoenaed that kind of material.

 

[Synobun]

I think not having her therapy notes released is fair. They would have discussed more than the attempted rape and there is no reason to have that aired out to the public. A sworn statement from the therapist and a check by the FBI should suffice.

Pretty cool job twisting the story so that Ford "giggled" about it and then just randomly decided to dabble in a character attack years later with the help of the evil liberals. Creative.

 

[Farm Boy]

Secondly, I don't think you can balance $600,000 with death threats. At least, that balance needs to be factored in . Remember, she came forward in a world where a pizza joint will actually get shot up because Clinton is running a child porn ring in it

Sounds like an upgrade from getting shot for your shoes. All things in perspective, I suppose.

Tempting enough to consider. It's worth significantly more than my life insurance, at any rate. A house and a college education, my sister is good with kids... Yeah, that's worth pondering.

/tangent

 

[sophie]

... except that she had expressed the stress about the event literally years before lawyers got involved.

Honestly, your posting on this topic is really disgusting. I'm going to stop engaging with you on it.

Don't forget she had a second front door installed in her house specifically due to anxieties about escape avenues resulting from trauma from the exact episode. If this was a conspiracy, it's one decade(s) in the making.

It's funny how these conspiracies simultaneously demand mind-boggling levels of coordination, timing and planning, involving dozens-to-hundreds of people being sworn to secrecy, and yet at the same time are so laughably paper-thin that any schmuck with 10 minutes on google and a pirated copy of photoshop can blow the lid on the whole thing.

 

[HoloDoc]

I think not having her therapy notes released is fair. They would have discussed more than the attempted rape and there is no reason to have that aired out to the public. A sworn statement from the therapist and a check by the FBI should suffice.

Pretty cool job twisting the story so that Ford "giggled" about it and then just randomly decided to dabble in a character attack years later with the help of the evil liberals. Creative.

Unless Naskra is Mark Judge. Or Brett "SCROTUS" Kavanaugh. Surely he wouldn't make up such a disgusting story just because he has some unfulfilled (hopefully) fantasies of his own. He must have a very good reason for saying something that disgusting publicly, of course.

I'm not allowed to say what I really think of Naskra here, but suffice it to say he wouldn't be speaking, or eating, if he said anything like this in my presence. I'm sure an incel like him gets my meaning.

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[HoloDoc]

Don't forget she had a second front door specially installed in her house specifically due to anxieties about escape avenues resulting from trauma from the exact episode. If this was a conspiracy, it's one decade(s) in the making.

It's funny how these conspiracies simultaneously demand mind-boggling levels of coordination, timing and planning, involving dozens-to-hundreds of people being sworn to secrecy, and yet at the same time are so laughably paper-thin that any schmuck with 10 minutes on google and a pirated copy of photoshop can blow the lid on the whole thing.

Because something something Kabbalah, something something Illumainati. Hillary's emails!

I always thought the Moon Landing hoax was the dumbest I ever heard, but recently it's been downgraded so it's not even in the top ten.

 

[sophie]

Because something something Kabbalah, something something Illumainati. Hillary's emails!

I always thought the Moon Landing hoax was the dumbest I ever heard, but recently it's been downgraded so it's not even in the top ten.

For me for a long time it was the Truthers, but recently I've discovered just what it is the Flat Earthers actually think. Now it's definitely that. Truthers and Moon-landing theorists are patently absurd due to the reason I pointed out above: the conspiracies simultaneously presuppose a state so sophisticated, and all-encompassing that they can coordinate hundreds of co-conspirators at all levels of the bureaucratic apparatus, as well as multiple apparently independent media organizations, AND keep them all sworn to secrecy, and yet are so hilariously incompetent that any idiot with zero background in physics can spend 10 minutes looking at WTC schematics and unravel the whole thing. However, at least the the conspirators stand to gain some tangible advantage in these fantasies: the US faked the moon landing to garner prestige and embarrass the USSR; the US orchestrated the WTC bombings to justify an invasion of Iraq, etc. The Flat Earth conspiracy makes zero sense at any level. A cabal of academics and state bureaucracies have been lying about the shape of the Earth for centuries for...no apparent reason. Reminds me of the Mitchell and Webb sketch: "Well it's nice to have secrets, isn't it?...It's just the sort of thing governments do, I suppose"

 

[Gori the Grey]

I like the Obama one. Obama's mother gave birth to him in Kenya. She thought to herself, "I bet this baby will want to be President of the United States some day. I better go to Hawaii and pretend I had him there." Then that very baby does grow up to want to be President of the United States!