SCOTUS Nomination II: I Like Beer

[bernie14]

That wasn't my theory? I have no idea what you're referring to here. Could you perhaps be more specific?

That letter doesn't counter Swetnick's claims, either. In fact it lends her story a lot of credibility. It establishes a witness that Swetnick told about having sex with multiple men at once. She says she did so in high school. She also said she enjoyed it, but it's quite possible having undergone such an ordeal would lead one to try to recreate it on their own terms, to take control of it. Isn't that what often leads abusers to become abusers themselves?

I mean really, like, this is actually pretty damning corroboration of Swetnick's claim.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

One hour to review 1000 pages?

Yeah, that seems reasonable.

Those dang disgusting Democrats though, wanting more time. Delays, delays, delays.

One hour? Let's do some math. There are a hundred senators. For the sake of argument, they work a ten hour day. That means ten reviews per hour. That gives them five minutes each, if they are efficient enough to hold the transition time between them to a single minute.

 

[metalhead]

@bernie14 that doesn't say anything about identifying with the aggressor? And what in the video contradicts my take? Does she say she never later developed a habit of trying to recreate a consensual setting in which to have multiple partners?

 

[Lexicus]

Exactly why the dems created this circus

Well, and @innonimatu, pay attention here -the problem with all this is that Republicans have the votes to ram Kavanaugh through regardless. Democrats making purely political arguments against the judge would accomplish nothing in this regard. The partisans would each get their fix of confrontation and conflict, Kavanaugh would be confirmed, end of story.

But now that these allegations have come front and center the Republicans at least might look bad to a lot of the college-educated white women they need to win the midterms.

Additionally, from the reporting I've read about how this all got started, to describe it as a coherent "strategy" by the Democrats is pretty laughable. Their hands were basically forced by events, they didn't plan this at all, unless we want to go into total conspiracy theory territory and suggest that Feinstein, in cahoots with other Democrats, ordered information to be leaked.

 

[metalhead]

There is no way one could have watched the Democrats question Brett Kavanaugh and come away with the impression that they had this all planned out in advance. None. They have documentary evidence that contradicts his claim he never got aggressive or blacked out from drinking, and they did not even use it to impeach him during his hearing.

I mean, if you truly believe that orchestrated claims by Democrats are an existential threat to democracy, you obviously haven't been paying attention to how incompetent the Democrats actually are. Even if they wanted to use this in a coordinated manner, they would be incapable of doing so.

 

[Yeekim]

I honestly think you just hate women so much that you can't stand the idea of someone being held accountable for repeated instances of sexual violence against women

Wow.

 

[uppi]

One hour? Let's do some math. There are a hundred senators. For the sake of argument, they work a ten hour day. That means ten reviews per hour. That gives them five minutes each, if they are efficient enough to hold the transition time between them to a single minute.

They could all sit in a circle, review the pages one by one and pass each page to their right when they're done with it. To make the circus complete, the whole thing should be filmed in such a way that you cannot read the documents, but you just see a closeup of their facial expression when reading each page.

 

[Lexicus]

I mean, if you truly believe that orchestrated claims by Democrats are an existential threat to democracy, you obviously haven't been paying attention to how incompetent the Democrats actually are. Even if they wanted to use this in a coordinated manner, they would be incapable of doing so.

Even if we grant that all these conspiracy theories are accurate, the idea that the Democrats are the real threat to -what was the phrase inno used?- "debase the concept of justice in modern civilized society" is too absurd for words.

 

[HoloDoc]

One hour? Let's do some math. There are a hundred senators. For the sake of argument, they work a ten hour day. That means ten reviews per hour. That gives them five minutes each, if they are efficient enough to hold the transition time between them to a single minute.

Still five minutes more than Trump spends reading a day. A rapist sits in the Oval Office, why not the Supreme Court?

Even if Kavanaugh were the best possible nominee, with a character beyond reproach, who punched Hitler to death while wrapped in the American flag - I just described Steve Rogers without meaning to - this would be a pathetic joke and worthy of scorn, and, let's be honest, full-scale rioting in D.C.. The fact that he is manifestly and demonstrably unsuitable for any judicial office, let alone a seat on the SCOTUS, even if he is innocent of these allegations - for the record, he's obviously not; seen enough legal proceedings in my time to know when someone is lying through their teeth - makes it a thousand times worse.

SCOTUS. At this point, it's SCROTUS: Supreme Court (Rapist) Of The United States. The Republicans are going to ram him through, just like he tried to do to this poor woman.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Flake and Collins expressed satisfaction with the report. It's all but a done deal now

 

[sophie]

Good to know perjury and obstruction of justice are no longer considered disqualifying factors for a Justice of the Supreme Court.

The only question now is how openly craven/political will Kavanaugh be once he's been confirmed?

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: Time out for a while.
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[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: Thread re-opened. Cut back on the hyperbole please and leave out the spam and flaming altogether. Thank you.
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[HoloDoc]

Good to know perjury and obstruction of justice are no longer considered disqualifying factors for a Justice of the Supreme Court.

The only question now is how openly craven/political will Kavanaugh be once he's been confirmed?

I'm guessing the answer is "extremely," although he will probably tone it down after the Dems retake power. SCOTUS hasn't been a particularly legitimate body for decades, but it is now an openly political organisation, with no claim whatsoever to being a legitimate judiciary body. This is honestly worse for America than having Trump in the White House.

 

[sophie]

Removing the filibuster and shoving Kavanaugh through will be catastrophic, I think. There is no reason for either party to play nice with nominations any more. No reason to maintain any convention not explicitly enshrined in a legal document.

 

[metalhead]

There is no reason for either party to play nice with nominations any more.

That won't stop the Democrats though.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That won't stop the Democrats though.

Unfortunately, that's probably true.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Flake and Collins expressed satisfaction with the report. It's all but a done deal now

STOP...

Rammer Time

 

[Lexicus]

Removing the filibuster and shoving Kavanaugh through will be catastrophic, I think.

I was under the impression that the filibuster was already gone?

 

[Sommerswerd]

I was under the impression that the filibuster was already gone?

Correct.