Shooting at Montreal University

[MobBoss]

Would you call a gun like this a submachine gun?

Nope. Those are fully automatic weapons, which this is not.

Can guns like this be easily modded to fully automatic?

Not easily. Unless you are a gunsmith with the correct tools and know what you are doing, most likely you would just ruin your weapon (i.e make it extremely prone to misfires and jams).

 

[skadistic]

Would you call a gun like this a submachine gun?

Can guns like this be easily modded to fully automatic?

no.

Any gun can be made fully auto except a revolver. If not properly designed to handle the full auto the gun may jam and/or come apart or explode. This gun would be more usefull at a burst fire setting like all the othe carbines out there.

 

[silver 2039]

More laws? The alread tight ones didn't do much. Are you saying all firearms should be banned? Do you realy think that will stop people getting shot?

I'm not quite aware how tight laws are there but I really don't believe that any regular person should be able to walk into a shop and buy a gun. I think people should need a lisence to get a gun, and they should only be issued a gun if they have signficant reason for a gun, like they live in a crime filled area or something like that. They should also undergo psychoanalysis and training on handling firearms before being allowed to have a gun. And automatic weapons should be banned as should any other form of heavy weaponry. I believe this will cut down the number of incidences of some nut deciding to blow his classmates heads off.

 

[IglooDame]

By the way, there are a few dozen Beretta CX4 Storms (in various pistol calibers) for sale at gunsamerica.com, running between US$500-800.

 

[emzie]

I'm not quite aware how tight laws are there but I really don't believe that any regular person should be able to walk into a shop and buy a gun. I think people should need a lisence to get a gun, and they should only be issued a gun if they have signficant reason for a gun, like they live in a crime filled area or something like that. They should also undergo psychoanalysis and training on handling firearms before being allowed to have a gun. And automatic weapons should be banned as should any other form of heavy weaponry. I believe this will cut down the number of incidences of some nut deciding to blow his classmates heads off.

Unless you can magically find a way to get all the illegal guns off the street, such laws wouldn't have any effect for 30 years.

Well, very nice find. So its not an automatic, nor has it been "smuggled in" via the "gun loving" "black market" down South; but probably bought locally in Canada....IF..that was the weapon used. But considering his pics weilding this, thats pretty likely.

If this gun were purchased legally or not in Canada isn't the issue. Legal gun ownership in this country isn't a problem – it is illegal gun ownership that is a problem. The vast majority of illegal guns are smuggled in to Canada.


Though I should point out, personally, I think guns are cool. Like really cool.

 

[Goonie]

Pottymouth.

We know of course where these guns come from, the same country that always claims our lax laws pose a security threat to them. Of course, count of Harpercrite the Sycophant to not raise the issue.

While the U.S may supply the guns, whose fault is it if Canadians demand them?

This is one ofo those things where I think the responsibility falls solely on the shooter.

 

[De Lorimier]

Allright, so it looks like his main weapon was indeed a Beretta CX4 Storm, wich is restricted, but legal for everyone who took the two-days class I took this summer (and the normal background checks). Like pistols and revolvers, its only legal use is sport shooting. The only illegal thing about this gun would be the use of a ten bullet magazine, wich are made for this particular gune. the law here states than such magazines are illegal or must be permanently altered to hold a maximum of five cartridges. So it could very well be a canadian firearm making my little jump to conclusions early on, about wich I showed doubt right away, slighty too fast. Oh well. Doesn't really change the current situation.




As of noon, six persons are still in critical condition at the hospital. Age rangre from 17 to 48 years old. Two patients are fighting for their lives and are very critical. SRC says kept alive artificially. One twenty years old student, a girl, died on the scene yesterday.

Edit: Anastasia Da Sousa is was her name. She was eighteen years old.

Hospital update: One person in danger, three in critical condition, everyone else was moved to private rooms in stable condition, under treatment.

SRC Link
CBC Link

 

[luiz]

Wow, how sad, my sympathies to the family of this poor girl.

This incident goes to show that lunatics are everywhere.

 

[mdwh]

You know, banning wearing black trenchcoats at school might solve someof there problems, I mean seriously, they always seem to be wearing black trenchcoats.

Yeah those evil killer dangerous trenhcoats which obviously cause people to become murderers.

However, I note an even better correlation exists between murderers, and wearing clothes of any kind, therefore I say go one better and ban wearing clothes.

 

[mdwh]

Actually, I was thinking it may lead to more stringent video game laws if anything. If his sole reason was some sick attempt to actually reenact a video game he was playing, its not going to be the gun that gets the most attention...

Sadly yes. No one ever focuses on the real issues (be it the thing which actually causes death, or the reasons why someone would do such a thing), but instead picks up something they were into which they want to ban, and use it as an excuse.

Here in the UK, the Government is going to criminalise possession of "violent porn" (even if consensual or entirely fake, and even private photos), because a killer (who's murder conviction was overturned) was into breath play.

Anyone should realise that correlation doesn't imply causation - but the sad thing is that even correlation isn't shown. Laws are instead made based on single cases.

I wonder if Marilyn Manson will get a mention, or is he too out of fashion now..? (It's a good thing they brought out Doom 3 - blaming it on the original would be rather outdated!)

 

[Che Guava]

A real tragedy

A lot of the blame in the canadian media surrounds this website: www.vampirefreaks.com, apparently a sort of myspace for goths and the like.

It's hard to connect to at present, but does anyone here know much about it?

 

[Raisin Bran]

A real tragedy

A lot of the blame in the canadian media surrounds this website: www.vampirefreaks.com, apparently a sort of myspace for goths and the like.

It's hard to connect to at present, but does anyone here know much about it?

I don't know anything about the website but I tried to get the guys blog but it has been deleted.

It looks like a website for goth bands and goth blogs.
With users full of hope in life like "designed for faliure" and "crap on my head" type of characters.

 

[mdwh]

It would hardly be the first online site associated with murder - that's happened also with LiveJournal and MySpace at least. With MySpace there was the usual vocal minority claiming it should be banned, and I'm sure the same will happen here.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Well, vampire freaks have made a predictable statement. I highlighted one part, and no I am not a goth.

so yes there's been a lot of press lately regarding a shooting in montreal, where the person involved was a member of this site.
i offer my condolences to the victims and their families, it really is a tragic event. however we do not condone or influence this type of behavior in any way. just because someone goes around shooting people and happens to be a member of vampirefreaks, doesn't mean that this website has influenced him to do such a horrible thing. the goth scene is a very friendly, nurturing, non-violent community and we are very supportive of our users and do not condone any illegal activities. we have an excellent team of administrators who moderate the site, and a useful system which allows all users to report illegal and suspicious activity. thank you to all the users who continue to help us moderate the site.
i do think this event is a tragedy, but i feel that this site is wrongly being associated with the shooting. i'm sure this kid also had accounts on various other sites, but the media likes to associate crimes with gothic culture because it makes a better story for them.
so, i just want to ask our members to really try to set a good example to the world, to show that we really are caring, responsible, non-violent people. in fact i believe we are more mature and responsible than other scenes, in that we value intelligence, part of goth culture is thinking for yourself and being more aware of the world, rather than just following the mainstream trends. don't let a few bad seeds ruin our reputation, we are a great community

 

[Xanikk999]

Well, vampire freaks have made a predictable statement. I highlighted one part, and no I am not a goth.

Gothic culture? Pfft its just a negative depressed human being. Lots of them are suicidal so this doesnt suprise me.

 

[skadistic]

All the news has beaten the living hell out of the piercings and "goth" thing. Its preaty sad realy. Mohawks don't make kids killers.

 

[Xanikk999]

All the news has beaten the living hell out of the piercings and "goth" thing. Its preaty sad realy. Mohawks don't make kids killers.

But they do make ugly kids.

 

[mdwh]

Well, vampire freaks have made a predictable statement. I highlighted one part, and no I am not a goth.

Well, it's true isn't it?

You never hear the media commenting on things like "he always used to dress in blue"

Same with other things - e.g., if someone kills because "satan told them", it's a big witchhunt on satanism, but no one questions Christianity when people kill because "God told them".

 

[azzaman333]

Quick! Ban video games and gothicness! Ban going to places where gunmen can go! Ban guns! Ban everything!

 

[Leonel]

Quick! Ban video games and gothicness! Ban going to places where gunmen can go! Ban guns! Ban everything!

Not far enough! Require everyone to wear a helmet, shoulder pads and knee pads and steel toe boots, even in the shower!

But seriously I wouldn't mind knee pads and steel toe boots myself.