Should America open normalized relations with Cuba?

Should America Open Relations With Cuba


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A lot of people on both sides seem to think so.

Some Cubans welcome relations with U.S.

By JOHN RICE, Associated Press Writer Wed Feb 7, 6:21 PM ET

HAVANA - Some Cubans welcomed a poll released Wednesday showing that most Americans favor renewed diplomatic ties with the communist-governed island.

Cuba's government had no immediate reaction to the poll, but acting President Raul Castro, who took power in July after his brother Fidel became ill, has said at least twice that his country wanted better relations with the United States.

While the AP-Ipsos poll showed 64 percent of respondents had an unfavorable opinion of
Fidel Castro, 62 percent said the United States should re-establish diplomatic ties broken off in 1961. Only 30 percent said it should not.

The poll, which had a margin of error of 3 percentage points, also showed that 48 percent favored continuing the U.S. trade embargo of Cuba while 40 percent wanted to end it. The embargo — which Cuban officials call a "blockade" — sharply restricts U.S. travel to Cuba as well as trade.

Cubans interviewed in the streets of Havana — while told about support for the embargo — tended to assume that renewed diplomatic ties would mean a broad range of closer ties. And they liked that idea.

"People have family there, they will be able to come," said Eduardo Pedreira, a 49-year-old parking lot worker who said he has cousins in the United States. "It's been years since I've seen them."

A co-worker, Carlos Luis Haro, said restored relations "would be very beneficial for both" countries.

A block away, self-employed cobbler Roberto Sanchez Cruz, 38, sat at a table in the doorway of a crumbling building, mending a stack of torn shoes with a thick needle. He said he thought new relations would lead to more visitors from the United States and a boost for the island's economy.

"There's a lot of work here, but no money," he said, and dismissed the idea of embargoes and broken relations: "That's all politics. The working people are the ones who suffer."

In December, a Gallup Poll survey conducted without government approval in Cuba's two biggest cities found that those surveyed were most likely to cite the United States as the "ideal partner" for increased commercial ties with Cuba.

The scant contact between the two countries is now handled through Switzerland or via low-level diplomatic offices called interests sections.

On Aug. 18, Raul Castro said in an interview with the Communist Party newspaper Granma that Cuba was open to normalized relations with the United States, though he rejected "impositions and threats" from the U.S.

In a Dec. 2 speech, he repeated that theme: "We take this opportunity to once again state that we are willing to resolve at the negotiating table the long-standing dispute between the United States and Cuba" as long as the U.S. respects Cuba's sovereignty.

"After almost half a century, we are willing to wait patiently until the moment when common sense prevails in Washington power circles," he added.

U.S. law might have to be changed to achieve full relations with Cuba's current government. Statutes restrict ties so long as either of the Castro brothers is in power.

But what about you?

Those who oppose the idea, what would make you want to support it? Do you believe any harm could be done? If so what?

Those who support it, why do you think it would make anything better?

And to all, what do you think are the best and worst case scenarios about such a situation?
 
I dont mind, not that it would benifit us, but i dont think we should support thier government either.
 
Nope. And frankly, I think we should cut all relations, business dealings, etc with the ChiComs and any other communist nation in the world.
 
As long as Castro and his family aren't in power, and nobody else fills the void with communist garbage, bringing capitalism to Cuba could be a huge boost to the US.
 
Of course.

Nothing is worse for the security of communist regime than everyday exposure to prosperity from a better system.
 
From the outside the anti-cuba thing doesnt look like defending democracy but winging about loosing sugar plantations. Not even worth anything any more. The Iran thing looks similarly petty. The UK was upset, but after the decades pased we got over it. After more than half a century it just seems a little silly.

I know the HR record is awful, just we are in bed with far worse. Different league of bad guy.
 
Not till Castro kicks the bucket.
 
I don't see why we shouldn't open relations with them. Irish Caesar brought up a good point that it would help crack their communist tendencies.
 
Yes, of course we should.

We can learn a lot from them.

Sure, we could learn how to run a terrible economy, and a worse dictatorship. :lol:
 
And GinandTonic brought up a good point that is would perhaps help crack ours: the :mad:ing sugar subsidy.

I don't understand what GT is saying :confused: We don't particuarly need their sugar plantations, because we use sugar beets.
 
Yes, of course we should.

We can learn a lot from them.

Like what, how to fix my '62 Ford truck?

If you're referring to the fact that they grow their own food, we don't need Cubans to teach us that, and we're not going to learn if it we do normalize relations with Cuba. In fact, I'd gamble that they'd STOP growing their own food if we did that.


I think we know that I'm not a pragmatic person. I will not support relations with Cuba until it ceases to be governed by a socialist dictator.
 
If you're referring to the fact that they grow their own food, we don't need Cubans to teach us that, and we're not going to learn if it we do normalize relations with Cuba. In fact, I'd gamble that they'd STOP growing their own food if we did that.
Some might but not all. Plus they would find new markets for their crops (and Americans on the East Coast wouldn't have to import their tropical fruit all the way from Peru & Ecuador).
 
Some might but not all. Plus they would find new markets for their crops (and Americans on the East Coast wouldn't have to import their tropical fruit all the way from Peru & Ecuador).

How much of a difference do you think that would actually make? Fruit is cheap enough as it is.
 
Amidst all the anti-cuba propaganda someone has to play the Devil's advocate:

Why will Cuba suddenly become a better place once Castro has gone? At best it will become a Mexico; an alternative to Cancun, where American tourists travel to exploit the people. The Americans aren't going to pump millions in to aid the people. A US-backed regime in Havana would privatise health care, commercialise education and limit the opportunities that have been put in place for the people since the revolution. Amertican tourism to Mexico, Dominican Republic etc. does not make life better for the majority.

Of course Castro's Cuba is not the utopian socialist republic that was envisaged, but it is a damn sight better than the previous US-backed regime.

Better then many I'd say.
It has a very good health system. Thats by worldwide standards not just latin american or carribean standards. Decent quality of life, etc...
I hope when Castro and crew do go everything isn't destroyed in a revolution and instead Cuba just tones down to a social democracy.
But thats probally too much to hope for.

Cuba has the best health care system in the Caribbean and lower illiteracy than the US. They use ONLY sustainable organic agriculture. They import food, but export sugar - considering that in the near future, sugar=fuel, this might be to their favor. There is a saying in Cuba: "each night 20 million children go to sleep with no supper and no home, but none of them are in Cuba". The Cuban *people* would fight house by house to resist the US.

Basically, if you want to be rich, Cuba is a terrible place to be. But if you have to be poor, Cuba is better than the alternatives, possibly including the US. Cuba is #50 on the UN Human Development Report, out of ~200 countries. It's no paradise, but neither is it a failure.

As to the question, it'll never happen. The revolution is forever.

Cuba would be well-placed to shift into a social democracy now that communism has failed. The people are bright and the majority of Cubans don't want the system gone, they just want it changed to work a bit better - which wouldn't really be particularly hard. As mentioned, Cuba's social systems are rather good even by world standards, so if the country backs off on the Marxist-Leninist stuff it would probably be a decent place to get into business because of the bright people and smart government. Dictatorships generally survive longest in places with racial or social problems or where the population either by reality or by choice isn't very well educated. Neither is the case in Cuba.

Remember people what happened when the Soviet Union collapsed, Gangster Capitalism filled the void, it is only now that central authority is being slowly reasserted.

Conclusion: In almost every case when a socialist nation becomes capitalist, some things which are better preserved are lost..
 
When Castro dies.

He may not be in power, but the day he dies, things will change.
 
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