Should Intellectual Property exist?

[Igaryd]

Bureaucrat taking what's yours:
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Boss taking what's yours:
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Never had a single one of my bosses take anything of mine

 

[Plains-Cow]

Mostly I think it was simply the fact that the restrictions on what could and could not be produced and the fact that people who guessed wrong about what Stalin and later the politburo wanted tended to have quite short careers in the arts. Add to that the fact that when political reliability trumps actual talent every time and you get stuff that is such laughable boiler plate that the worst dread among those forced to watch the ridiculous claptrap was the fear that you might laugh out loud at an inappropriate moment and be shipped of to the gulags. It should tell you all you need to know about the former Soviet Union that in order to get his masterpiece the Gulag Archipelago publish he first had to smuggle it out of the country.

I find this interesting when it comes to being sent to a labor camp for laughing, but feel like the last part about the Gulag Archipelago would make just as much sense if your replaced it with a novel about 20 years in Guantanamo Bay and one of the people from there, considering I doubt the US State Department would allow anyone to publish anything about their time there.

 

[Igaryd]

You do sound like the kind of person who dislikes the weekend.

On the contrary I love weekends friends and family Kids and grand kids, I loved my time off back before I retired.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I find this interesting when it comes to being sent to a labor camp for laughing, but feel like the last part about the Gulag Archipelago would make just as much sense if your replaced it with a novel about 20 years in Guantanamo Bay and one of the people from there, considering I doubt the US State Department would allow anyone to publish anything about their time there.

They are already out there.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/07/1034819590/a-former-guantanamo-detainee-shares-his-story

He Spent 14 Years at Guantánamo. This Is His Story. (Published 2021)

“Don’t Forget Us Here,” by Mansoor Adayfi with Antonio Aiello, is the memoir of a Yemeni man who claims he was kidnapped in Afghanistan, sold to the C.I.A. and sent to the detention camp in a case of mistaken identity.

www.nytimes.com

Amazon.com

 

[Igaryd]

I find this interesting when it comes to being sent to a labor camp for laughing, but feel like the last part about the Gulag Archipelago would make just as much sense if your replaced it with a novel about 20 years in Guantanamo Bay and one of the people from there, considering I doubt the US State Department would allow anyone to publish anything about their time there.

Except those that are still in quantanamo and damn few are, are guilty of far worse things than laughing.

 

[Plains-Cow]

They are already out there.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/07/1034819590/a-former-guantanamo-detainee-shares-his-story

He Spent 14 Years at Guantánamo. This Is His Story. (Published 2021)

“Don’t Forget Us Here,” by Mansoor Adayfi with Antonio Aiello, is the memoir of a Yemeni man who claims he was kidnapped in Afghanistan, sold to the C.I.A. and sent to the detention camp in a case of mistaken identity.

www.nytimes.com

Amazon.com

I can't access the article. Is this written by him in Guantanamo, or is this written about him by someone else?

 

[Birdjaguar]

I can't access the article. Is this written by him in Guantanamo, or is this written about him by someone else?

There should be three links, I think they are different books, all written by people actually incarcerated. There were others too. Google is your friend.

 

[Igaryd]

There should be three links, I think they are different books, all written by people actually incarcerated. There were others too. Google is your friend.

Not surprised really Obama turn loose almost everyone. I this point I don't think there is more than a handful of people left including the supposed master mind.

 

[Plains-Cow]

There should be three links, I think they are different books, all written by people actually incarcerated. There were others too. Google is your friend.

Google maybe, SEO not really.

 

[Plains-Cow]

Not surprised really Obama turn loose almost everyone. I this point I don't think there is more than a handful of people left including the supposed master mind.

What do you think about copyright, and would you feel morally guilty about copying a book? What about copying a recipe from a book to give to your grandmother to try?

 

[Remorseless1]

What do you think about copyright, and would you feel morally guilty about copying a book? What about copying a recipe from a book to give to your grandmother to try?

That's not a copyright violation, unless you publish the recipe and sell it online or in print. It's similar to quoting another author's work in your book -- if you attribute the quote to the previous author, it's okay. So go ahead and copy that recipe for your grandmother to try out.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Of course socialism is always in a state of flux. When you constantly find your self wrong and you constantly have to find a way to shoe horn your latest disaster in to your cockamamie theory so that disaster isn't the fault of the theory but only that of the person who messed up this time eventually you wind up with a system where people who disagree with you wind up dead in very unpleasant ways.

vuvzela no iphone

 

[Remorseless1]

Dude come on this is really easy to google.

Beautiful. Do you consider there is a difference between your personal property and your private property?

Marx and Engels postulated a system that never has been tried. Basically, they would gotten rid of national borders and every level of government and depend on voluntary syndicates to manufacture and trade with other syndicates. Nice theory, but it doesn't take into consideration the nature of human beings, whom tend to be selfish and greedy.

 

[Lexicus]

Never had a single one of my bosses take anything of mine

Well i've never had a bureaucrat set covetous eyes on my toothbrush either

Except those that are still in quantanamo and damn few are, are guilty of far worse things than laughing.

Well, some bureaucrats decided they were anyway.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Never had a single one of my bosses take anything of mine

>He doesn't realise that his bosses underpaid him for his labour

 

[NinjaCow64]

Enters

Nice theory, but it doesn't take into consideration the nature of human beings, whom tend to be selfish and greedy.

I am sure in pre-revolutionary France there were guys who were saying "Actually Feudalism is the natural state of man, if we don't have a King all of society would crumble".

 

[Lexicus]

Beautiful. Do you consider there is a difference between your personal property and your private property?

Marx and Enters postulated a system that never has been tried. Basically, they would gotten rid of national borders and every level of government and depend on voluntary syndicates to manufacture and trade with other syndicates. Nice theory, but it doesn't take into consideration the nature of human beings, whom tend to be selfish and greedy.

Humans mostly held things in common for about 200,000 years before agriculture, as far we can tell, the "my stone ax" idiocy that was pulled out of the ass of a different poster notwithstanding. So these arguments about "human nature" are based in, like I said in a previous post on this thread, total ignorance of the subject matter.

In other "total ignorance of the subject matter" news, this distinction between private and personal property was theorized by socialists before Marx, it's hardly exclusive to Marx or Engels. I don't entirely agree with it as good theory myself because I don't think there's a clear line where we can distinguish capital from non-capital, but my rule of thumb for policy is that it's generally bad for someone to own more stuff than they can actually use.

 

[Lexicus]

I am still waiting to hear what a "further to the left than we have seen" socialistic nation would look like culturally and economically. What aspects of our current capitalism are gone and what have they been replaced with if anything: Banks? Stocks; Corporations? Personal investing? Existing bank accounts and portfolios? Small business ownership? 3 car families? Second homes? Big first homes? Private schools? Inheritance allowed? If some of those are gone, what happens to the money or people involved in operating them? How would the transition work? Would it take 5 years? 20 years? What would happen to all the guns in the US? How would you deal with sovereign Indian tribes?

We've heard all kinds of talk about how great things would be once capitalism is gone, but no one ever describes what this socialist solution would actually look like for everyday activities or how it would achieved. There are lots of unanswered questions.

We know what the immediate future looks like. Cooperative business exists. Schemes to allow the whole citizenry to benefit collectively from productive assets already exist. Publicly owned institutions also already exist. We have had full employment policy in the past. And so on.

The further left we can go the more human potential unlocked, the more difficult and futile it becomes to predict things.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Are you really nobility? I didn't think Canada still conferred any noble titles. How did that process go, and do you pass it on to your kids? It seems like an anachronism, so it's interesting. Especially when it's from the New World.

SCA nobility. "SCA" stands for the Society for Creative Anachronism. It's a nonprofit educational organization that re-creates the arts, sciences, and daily activities of the Middle Ages, defined as 600-1600 CE, either in Europe or in places that had documented contact with Europe during those years. Canada does not confer any noble titles. Best I could ever do would be if some Prime Minister appointed me Governor-General. It would mean a trip to London to meet King Charles, for the investiture.

My SCA identity, including title, is Lady Freydis Aelfhilda of Gloppenfjord. I have a heraldic device that I suppose I could really try to register if I wanted to pay $$$ and it was still okay in the sense of not being too close to what has already been registered. The SCA is a few months older than Star Trek, so over the course of several decades it gets progressively more difficult to come up with original heraldry that has period-authentic design and doesn't conflict with what's already been registered both in the Society and in RL and doesn't break any rules for forbidden charges (ie. swastikas - prior to the 20th century it was just another form of cross, but they're forbidden now).

There are several ranks above that, and the higher you go, the more your activities, achievements, and service are recognized. If you want to be royal, though, you have to either win a crown tournament or be the spouse/partner of the winner of the crown tournament. The SCA is equal-opportunity, so it is possible for a woman to enter the lists and win, becoming Queen by right of combat, rather than because her husband/partner won (some people who win these aren't married or in a relationship so they may ask a friend to serve as their consort). Kings and Queens serve for 6 months. No, none of these ranks can be passed on to children. If they want rank (there are some families with 3-4 generations in the SCA), they have to earn it themselves.

In mundane (non-SCA) life, I'm just me. Not noble at all, though my cats have never hesitated to remind me that cats were once worshiped.

What you googled doesn't even make sense. What that implies is that nothing that is currently yours need remain yours if some sorry ass bureaucrat some where decides it should be his

Last I checked the only communist movie that was ever shown in Western theaters was the Epic War and Peace the epic novel by Dostoevsky written by Doestoevski while Russia was still ruled by czars was made into a six hour long movie when shown in the US it had two intermissions. A decent enough movies given it's back drop and the fact that it was based on the longest one volume book ever written John Jakes even more massive Shogun was two volumes.

James Clavell wrote Shogun, and was only one volume (albeit a huge one, and my history instructor in college gave us a whopping one week to read it and write an essay about it; we managed to talk him into giving us an extra week).

You do sound like the kind of person who dislikes the weekend.

Reminds me of what the Dowager Countess Violet had to say:

 

[Birdjaguar]

The further left we can go the more human potential unlocked, the more difficult and futile it becomes to predict things.

You didn't answer my questions and that ^^^ means nothing at all. It is just avoiding the real issues involved in getting from here to where you want to go.