Sigh, Dean's at it again

[GenMarshall]

The Republicans have cynically exploited conservative religious beliefs on a number of social issues to position themselves as the party of God and to use the power that they have gained not to support religious inspired ends except in a few grandstanding cases but to bankrupt the country at the behest of a corporate oligarchy. The trap that must be avoided is to oppose some of those positions without being portrayed as anti God.

Hmm, no wonder I am slightly leaning twards the Republican side because they potray themselves as a God fearing party. But I do agree that it was not a fair fight. I thought there was suppost to be the separation of church and state in political affairs. Apperently not

 

[Mark1031]

Hmm, no wonder I am slightly leaning twards the Republican side because they potray themselves as a God fearing party. But I do agree that it was not a fair fight. I thought there was suppost to be the separation of church and state in political affairs. Apperently not

Actually I think it's quite appropriate for religious views to be part of the political discussion and to drive your voting patterns. Obviously people derive their views from something and many people use religious teachings. I think Republicans do it selectively and cynically (not all of course but some, many). I really don't see how a full embrace of Christian teachings could possibly lead to Republican views on public policy other than a few social issues. However if they win they have every right to push that agenda. It is up to the opposition to make opposing arguments that convince the majority of the population. Throwing around phrases like white Christian as a negative is not a good way to do this.

 

[zorven]

There have been several posts in this thread that have stated it is not Dean's position to suggest policy, it is to build infrastructure and raise money. Yet everytime I have seen him on TV, he spends almost all of his time defending his prior comments, calling Republicans various names, and pointing out the problems that the Republicans are, in his opinion, not addressing. My point is that if he is in his position to build infrastructure and raise money, why does he even go on TV and spend his time talking about what I wrote above?

 

[zorven]

I thought there was suppost to be the separation of church and state in political affairs. Apperently not

That is really not the case. Our Constitution essentially requires that the State not adopt an official religion or establish a religion. It does not say that there is to be no influence of religion on government.

Sorry for the double post.

 

[DBear]

With enemies like Howard Dean, what do the Republicans need with friends?

 

[amadeus]

Dean should do his homework better, he'd find that more minorities are voting Republican now than they were before.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

This is how the Republicans always successfully silence the democrats. As soon as a democrat with cojones gets out there and starts speaking the plain truth, the republicans start with their outraged, aggrieved party routine, and then the accomodating elite rightwing media, instead of talking about what the democrat actually said about the republicans, asks him everywhere he goes if he's going to apologize. Tom Delay should apologize first for encouraging the shooting of judges.

 

[ybbor]

Bush won with 51% of the votes. 44.66% (58% of 77%) of the vote on that day were by whites for Bush. 44.66/51= 87.57% of Bush's votes came from whites. As to Christianity, 45.9% of all people who voted were Christians voting for Bush (59%*54% + 52%*27%). 45.9%/51%=90%

Your link doesn't have enough information (percentage of adherents of a religion that is one race or another), but since 87.5% of Bush's votes came from whites, and 90% of his votes came from Christians. At a minimum, 76.5% of his votes would have come from White Christians. That seems like a supermajority to me. For democrats, the figure is most likely a majority, but not nearly as much as for Republicans. In fact, let me calculate it.

42%*77%=32.34. 32.34/48=67.375% of Democrats are white.

40%*54%=21.6%. 47%*27%=12.69. 21.6+12.69=34.29. 34.29/48=71.4375% of Democrats that are Christians.

At a minimum, 41.75% of Democrats are white Christians. Using minimums only, a minority of Democrats are white Christians, whereas a supermajority (75% even, in this case) are white Christians in the Republican party.

Evangelicals aren't the only Christians.

*procedes so to shove foot in mouth (ironic considering the opening sentance of this thread)*

i guess its what i get for just looking at the specific poll result, as opposed to looking more closely at the lable, and doing more roundabout math

 

[vbraun]

You mean, he hasn't moved to Canada yet?

 

[cgannon64]

He already lives a stones throw away.

 

[Hygro]

Who are you calling a big baby , I dont beleve the DMC is fine unless it changes some of it's platform on certan issues.

I'm calling you a big baby. You said you didn't want to vote in the 2006 elections because you'd vote for a loser because then you'd "feel bad". What kind of spine and resolve is that? Stop giving us democrats a bad name by having no back bone, by spouting the television media line, and being a partisan hack for... cable news.

You can't take democrats speaking out, but you take it when republicans do it, you can't take democrats taking a stand like filibustering and would rather republcains run rampant.

Why, I ask. Why do you bend over in the political winds, unable to cope with that which upsets the status quo?

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[amadeus]

As soon as a democrat with cojones gets out there and starts speaking the plain truth,

Dean should do his homework better, he'd find that more minorities are voting Republican now than they were before.

Tom Delay should apologize first for encouraging the shooting of judges.

 

[GenMarshall]

I'm calling you a big baby. You said you didn't want to vote in the 2006 elections because you'd vote for a loser because then you'd "feel bad". What kind of spine and resolve is that? Stop giving us democrats a bad name by having no back bone, by spouting the television media line, and being a partisan hack for... cable news.

Shesh, no need to troll and insult me like that . I dont want to vote in the 2006 elections because I have no faith in the Democratic party and also because of heated debates and flames like this

You can't take democrats speaking out, but you take it when republicans do it, you can't take democrats taking a stand like filibustering and would rather republcains run rampant.

I just feel like the filibustering is not contributing to anything. I dont wish to have both the house and senate run rampant with Republicans.

Why, I ask. Why do you bend over in the political winds, unable to cope with that which upsets the status quo?

As said before, I have lost the faith in the Democratic party.

 

[amadeus]

Don't place faith in the party apparatus, it's just a business.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Deans job is to raise money.

For spending on getting Democrats re-elected. And...Tom Delay(?) is the guy doing the same on the Republican side, right?

So...whose job is it to run the country fairly and sensibly, and not make the world hate us? Do we HAVE a position for those things? Or is it more important to get re-elected?

I think all terms should be 6 years long, and no re-elections permitted ever. That might cut out some of the corruption.

That said...Dean is a moron, and the 'Pubs are probably worse than he says.

 

[CurtSibling]

Don't place faith in the party apparatus, it's just a business.

Smartest line I have read all day.

 

[Ayatollah So]

is there not a single political strategist who can get some control over the appropriate language to use in saying it. My God it's not that hard.

Your God? But you just said you're an atheist!

But seriously, I agree with the gist of your comments. Dean and the Dems need to communicate more effectively. Carpe dictum!

 

[Goonie]

The good thing with having Dean as the face of your party is that the rest of your members look sane by comparison.

 

[OrpheusPrime]

YEaaaaaaaaH!

 

[GenMarshall]

The good thing with having Dean as the face of your party is that the rest of your members look sane by comparison.

The next step is to revamp the Democratic party platform so they can have a chance at a presidential election.