Something Interesting About Iraq

[nonconformist]

Let me introduce you to a man named Saddam Hussein. Look at HIS death tolls (if you can even find an accurate number). Look at Iraq under HIS rule. Then complain.

Considering Saddam Hussein was in power for twenty years, and led Iraq through three wars.....

 

[useless]

No it would be in the previous screwed up situation where the sunni dominated and killed without resistence like when they gased the Kurds, drain the marshes displacing the marsh arabs, and put down shia uprisings with crushing force.


With freedom comes responcability. Iraqis chose to kill each other instead of work towards peace.

indeed. and america "chooses" to invade poor, oil rich country oh and get the U.k to fight a war that they're not even involved in! that sure is responcibility indeed!

 

[skadistic]

indeed. and america "chooses" to invade poor, oil rich country oh and get the U.k to fight a war that they're not even involved in! that sure is responcibility indeed!

US chose to reinstate its use of force on oil rich countries that violate terms of ceacefire agreements and UN mandates.

But you keep hating the US. Nevermind the rest of the story.

 

[useless]

US chose to reinstate its use of force on oil rich countries that violate terms of ceacefire agreements and UN mandates.

But you keep hating the US. Nevermind the rest of the story.

i dont see america doing anything about saudi arabia, oh i forgot america NEEDS saudi arabia for its oil. no force on them i suppose then.

 

[skadistic]

i dont see america doing anything about saudi arabia, oh i forgot america NEEDS saudi arabia for its oil. no force on them i suppose then.

What ceacefire and UN mandates are SA in violation of? What wars of agression has it started with its nieghbors that the US was asked to put a stop to?

Your realy stretching now.

 

[Neomega]

What ceacefire and UN mandates are SA in violation of? What wars of agression has it started with its nieghbors?

Your realy stretching now.

you can't call upon any kind of UN authority, when the war itself was not approved by the UN.

It's like trying to claim you were allowed to kill a beggar, because he was breaking a vagrancy law.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Let me introduce you to a man named Saddam Hussein. Look at HIS death tolls (if you can even find an accurate number). Look at Iraq under HIS rule. Then complain.

And I am sure all of the people using such statistical scrutiny of the 600,000 dead figure since the American invasion, would have no problem agreeing on the absolute highest possible figure for what Saddam has done...

 

[useless]

What ceacefire and UN mandates are SA in violation of? What wars of agression has it started with its nieghbors that the US was asked to put a stop to?

Your realy stretching now.

the human rights? terrorism funding?

 

[skadistic]

you can't call upon any kind of UN authority, when the war itself was not approved by the UN.

It's like trying to claim you were allowed to kill a beggar, because he was breaking a vagrancy law.

The UN doesn't have to approve (again)of a war that asserts its athority when the preconditions exsisted in the words of the UN mandates. In other words the UN already aproved. And why didn't the UN want this war? "Oil for food scandle". The coruption that tryed to sway memberstates away from useing its power to enforce UN mandates was circumvented and the UNs mandates were carried out dispite the corupt in power.

 

[Neomega]

In other words the UN already aproved.

In my reality, the sky is blue.

 

[skadistic]

the human rights? terrorism funding?

Are not wars of aggression and violations of ceasefire and UN mandates. Try again.

 

[skadistic]

In my reality, the sky is blue.

So you agree that the words of the mandates them selve approved of the use of force. Thats great we agree on this.

 

[Xanikk999]

Last I looked Iraqis were human. I've read that about 100 000- 600 000 people have died in Iraq and there are around 2 million refugees.

If that was America based on % of population it would be approx.

1.2 Million-7.2 Million dead
24 Million refugees

Just under 3000 Americans died in 9/11 and I'm not sure what the current casualty figures for the military is.

Thas what America has done to Iraq (which had sod all to do with 9/11). Hypothetically reversing the situation have another look at the American casualty figures. How many Americans would fight for their country if was invaded but the insurgents get called terrorists (some of them are).

Not all the people who have died in iraq are iraqis, so thats not a fair comparison.

 

[Neomega]

So you agree that the words of the mandates them selve approved of the use of force. Thats great we agree on this.

In my reality, water flows downhill.

 

[Quiet Sound]

The UN doesn't have to approve (again)of a war that asserts its athority when the preconditions exsisted in the words of the UN mandates. In other words the UN already aproved.

Please support this assertion. I was under the impression that relevant UN mandates required Security Council decisions upon any action to be taken.

 

[skadistic]

In my reality, water flows downhill.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect2.html

UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998



Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access, and notes that any violation would have the "severest consequences for Iraq."

UNSCR 678 - November 29, 1990



Iraq must comply fully with UNSCR 660 (regarding Iraq's illegal invasion of Kuwait) "and all subsequent relevant resolutions."


Authorizes UN Member States "to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area."

Maybe something more recent?
http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm
1441

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,

See water does run down hill.

 

[Nylan]

Considering Saddam Hussein was in power for twenty years, and led Iraq through three wars.....

And you think the number of wars and deaths wouldn't have incrased exponentially had he been left in power?

 

[Neomega]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect2.html





Maybe something more recent?
http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm
1441



See water does run down hill.

Sorry, don't see a resolution authorizing war and occupation.

I even tried ctrl+f.... nope.

And remind me again, did Russia and China and France vote for this phantom Iraq Invasion and Occupation resolution?

Ahh... I got it... see, when elevation is ascending, that is called "uphill"

Kind of like the uphill battle you are fighting right now, trying to use legalese to convince everyone that the UN actually authorised invasion and occupation,

and if they did, why hate France?

What a joke.

 

[Neomega]

And you think the number of wars and deaths wouldn't have incrased exponentially had he been left in power?

1. exponentially.... you are just being dramatic

2. according to amnesty international, deaths fell exponentially after the shia uprising was quashed. And I am not being dramatic.

 

[Phlegmak]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect2.html





Maybe something more recent?
http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm
1441



See water does run down hill.

So you believe in the UN? You think it's a useful body then?