Soviet Contributions to Modern world

[amadeus]

Do you know that more Russians died at Stalingrad than all Americans during the 4 years of war?

I don't know how they did things under Stalin, but we usually tried killing the enemy's forces...

 

[Gelion]

I don't know how they did things under Stalin, but we usually tried killing the enemy's forces...

Like in Sangmi?

 

[ParkCungHee]

Do you know that more Russians died at Stalingrad than all Americans during the 4 years of war?

Of course, but I always considered that a Russian contribution to the Modern World, not a Soviet one. The soldier fighting and dying in Stalingrad was fighting for his motherland, and for the dozen relatives the Germans killed, not for Marxist Dialectic.

 

[Gelion]

Of course, but I always considered that a Russian contribution to the Modern World, not a Soviet one. The soldier fighting and dying in Stalingrad was fighting for his motherland, and for the dozen relatives the Germans killed, not for Marxist Dialectic.

Good point this. to you

Are you of Chinese origin by any chance? Your ideas in many threads do not sound typicaly American, pard me my bluntness.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Good point this. to you

Are you of Chinese origin by any chance? Your ideas in many threads do not sound typicaly American, pard me my bluntness.

Nope, I'm born and raised in America, and in fact I'm not even Asian, I come from an almost exclusively Irish background, but yes, I have rather unusual views.

 

[Tekee]

I really hate these forums but new Zealand never pioneer Womans Rights, becuase they were the first to vote?
women became equals in Soviet Unions as opposed to other countries
Like in the Textbooks they say that women only got rights after 1960?
yet they fail to mention that Womens rights existed since the start of Soviet Union, The great Depression caused widespread poverty yet this neevr happened in Soviet Union,

Anyways other Soviet Achievements, (not including being leaders in Science) is
Cheburashka

I have full faith that if Soviet Union never happened then it would be replaced with a Socialist government but Russia would have been capable of achieving this without Communism,
Except Americans (west) forget what Soviet Contributed and Sacrifices and all the good they have done
I don't consider the US to be good and moral
I think it works to achieves its best interests, like Russia and every country before it

So STOP thinking that America is any different!

 

[Gelion]

You're not even Russian Tekee, why bother?

 

[Colonel_here]

Well the achievements on the Eastern Front of WWII should not be called Russian achievement since people from all republics of Soviet Union fought together.
The Great Dperession passed Soviet Union by because it was excluded from the world economy at the time. And also because after the Civil war the economy was in bad shape so what happens is that it is being rebuilt while for the West generally economic activity was slowing down due to end WWI and problems such as going from wartime production to peacetime production and consequences of the wartime time production and reparation payments were actually one of the biggest causes.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I really hate these forums but new Zealand never pioneer Womans Rights, becuase they were the first to vote?

Actually, the state of New Jersey was the first place on Earth to allow women's suffrage.

women became equals in Soviet Unions as opposed to other countries

Other countries such as...America? Where women obtained the vote in 1920, and the Soviet Union was formed in 1917? Ooo, three whole years! You might also be surprised to learn that, in addition to New Zealand, which granted unrestricted nationwide women's suffrage in 1893, that Tavolara (1886), Finland (1905), Norway and Denmark (1913), and Canada and Australia (1917), granted Women's suffrage before the Soviet Union, with Great Britain and Poland(1918) and the United States (1920) following in rapid succession. So don't get all hoity-toity about Soviet equality, which was actually in the wake of many other nations.

Like in the Textbooks they say that women only got rights after 1960?

Actually, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was designed to end segregation in schools and enforce equal protection under the law. Women were added to the bill at the last minute. Women had rights before this, of course, but this piece of legislation mandated that no discrimination in employment or service could take place because of race or sex. The law just made it universal, and covered the whole country.

yet they fail to mention that Womens rights existed since the start of Soviet Union,

Nobody had rights in the Soviet Union, so of course everyone's equal when they're all smack bottom.

The great Depression caused widespread poverty yet this neevr happened in Soviet Union.

When you're on the bottom, there's nowhere to go but up.

 

[RickFGS]

Are we forgetting Space Exploration we were the first to launch a satelite and a man into space.

Dont forget you also placed the first operational- mid/long term space station in orbit capable of sustaining human life - M.I.R., quite an achievement at the time and only copied decades later.

 

[nonconformist]

One of the best, and most famous, snipers in history was in the Red Army. He fough at Stalingrad, and in total killed at least 342 people, perhaps in the 450s. His name was... I need to find my reference book and I'll find it.

About 90% of the stuff written about Vasili Zaitsev is pure lies, propaganda and glorification.
Sure, Zaitsev was a pretty damn good sniper, and he suure killed a lot of Germans.
But his greatest contribution to the Soviet cause wouldn'rt have been his shooting, it was because he was the first person to think of strapping a sniper scope onto an anti-tank gun, allowing the Soviets to send a shell right through a buker's loophole.

Zaitsev didn't kill nearly as many people as that; he was picked as an example for Pravda and Red Star, to keep moral up, so every time he shot a German, the number increased exponentially.
Even his famous duel with a German sniper is regarded by most people who read up this sort of thing as lies; the stories are confliciting in name of the sniper, rank, date of death, and even whenther he was Wehrmacht or SS (a lot say SS, but no SS units were ever in Stalingrad).
If we take the names of the snipers allegedly killed by him, no Germans of that name were ever in the armed forces, let alone as snipers).
Zaitsev wasn't even the best Soviet sniper, let alone sniper of the war.
Look up Simo Hayhaa, who is truly the sniper king.

 

[Gelion]

And what kind of first hand evidence do you possess to support that?

 

[nonconformist]

And what kind of first hand evidence do you possess to support that?

Probably more than there is supporting Zaitsev's claims to having the number of kills he does.

How do you explain the fact that no German officers, let alone snipers, under the names of Koenig or Heinz Throwald ever fought at Stalingrad, let alone the fact that he is often claimed to be Waffen SS, when absolutely no units of SS fought at Stalingrad?

Zaitsev wasn't even close to being the top sniper, Simo Haayha taking that crown with several hundred sniper kills, and bout 250 more with the Suomi mSMG.

 

[luiz]

I'd say it's very hard to determine who was the best russian sniper, considering how information was tightly controlled in the Soviet Union. Every spectacular claim should be taked with a grain of salt.

 

[Yoda Power]

I love people who think they are communists. They never stop entertaining me!

 

[Plotinus]

[Cheezy] Although your point is fairly sound, you're a bit disingenuous on a few matters...

Actually, the state of New Jersey was the first place on Earth to allow women's suffrage.

It was, but then the right was subsequently revoked.

Other countries such as...America? Where women obtained the vote in 1920, and the Soviet Union was formed in 1917? Ooo, three whole years! You might also be surprised to learn that, in addition to New Zealand, which granted unrestricted nationwide women's suffrage in 1893, that Tavolara (1886), Finland (1905), Norway and Denmark (1913), and Canada and Australia (1917), granted Women's suffrage before the Soviet Union, with Great Britain and Poland(1918) and the United States (1920) following in rapid succession. So don't get all hoity-toity about Soviet equality, which was actually in the wake of many other nations.

I don't know about the other nations mentioned, but you can't claim that there was "equality" in voting matters in the US and the UK at those dates. In Britain, women did indeed get the vote in 1918 - but only if they were over 30. It wasn't until 1928 that women were thought capable of voting at the same age as men. And in the US, of course, it was only white women who got the vote in federal elections in 1920, the franchise being extended to black ones only in the 1960s. The same thing is true of Australia, where aborigines couldn't vote in commonwealth elections until 1962. So while these countries may have had "female suffrage" at an early stage, they certainly didn't have "equality".

 

[Gelion]

Probably more than there is supporting Zaitsev's claims to having the number of kills he does.

Probably... I like that word. You buy it, I don't lets leave it at that.

How do you explain the fact that no German officers, let alone snipers, under the names of Koenig or Heinz Throwald ever fought at Stalingrad, let alone the fact that he is often claimed to be Waffen SS, when absolutely no units of SS fought at Stalingrad?

You got that important piece of info from the film?

Zaitsev wasn't even close to being the top sniper, Simo Haayha taking that crown with several hundred sniper kills, and bout 250 more with the Suomi mSMG.

Give me documents and we can debate that.

 

[nonconformist]

Probably... I like that word. You buy it, I don't lets leave it at that.

No, I can quote dozens of eminant non-revisionistm hitorians, including Anthony Beevor, who is more or less the authority on Stalingrad.

You got that important piece of info from the film?

Christ, I don't know if you're deliberatley being obtuse or what, but are you seriously denying the incontravertable historical fact that no SS units ever fought at Stalingrad?
Becaus eif you are, there's not much hope.

Give me documents and we can debate that.

Documents to prove that Simo Hayha is the top credited sniper of all times?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä

The unofficial Finnish frontline figure from the battlefield of Kollaa places the number of Häyhä's sniper kills at 542...Besides his sniper kills, Simo Häyhä was also credited with as many as two hundred kills with a Suomi M-31 SMG submachine gun, thus bringing his credited kills to at least 705

http://www.kevos4.com/Simo_Hayha.htm

The total time that Simo Häyhä served in the Winter War was 100 days with about 500 kills credited to him. His record is truly remarkable and is long since remembered in the nation of Finland.

http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/simohayha.asp

http://www.snipercentral.com/snipers.htm
The last link shows that not only was Simo Hayha the top sniper of the war, with 542 Soviets killed under his belt, but Zaitsev isn't even in the top 10 snipers of WWII.

 

[Emperor2]

Oh, and the USSR REALLY did a good job at contributing to solving the population problem.

 

[Alpha Killer II]

#1 - I looked up Simo Hayhaa in Wikipedia, nothin there
#2 - I have found somethin about 3 MiGs chasing a UFO (Which is in a Cylindrical Shape and reaches MACH-3 IN LESS THAN 10 SECONDS)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dO9NMREQLSY