Spanking kids usefull and needed till when?

[Merkinball]

It's so easy to pick out children, teenagers, and young adults that were never spanked as a child in America.

 

[Elrohir]

Well, since they base it on beliefs that it shouldn't, in theory, be consensual (but U.S. laws require consent), then one can reasonably conclude that in many cases, there really is no age limit when applied to their children - especially their unmarried daughters.

Actually, it sounds more like they, in theory, want this kind of thing to be the norm in Christian marriage, rather than the exception - there would be consent, but it would be implicit in the agreement to marry.

So? I think it would be weird if a father still spanked his 20 year old daughter. I would even say that it's rather creepy. But it isn't illegal.

exactly the other way around for me, I was never spanked and I will never spank my children. IMHO it sends entirely the wrong message.
If you have to resort to violence to make your kids have respect you're doing something wrong.

Exactly what I said elsewhere - it seems like the people who were never spanked are the most opposed to it, while those who were don't have much of a problem with in, on the whole.

Children aren't rational. Sometimes the only way to teach them something is through the use of hard discipline, including spanking. You can say that it shouldn't be that way, but that's the way it is.

 

[Shadylookin]

It's so easy to pick out children, teenagers, and young adults that were never spanked as a child in America.

How so? is there any evidence to support this or are you stretching to justify hitting children?

 

[nc-1701]

I'm very unsure on this subject...

I wasn't spanked as a child, well my Mom lost it, and smacked me a couple of times, but not much. I was an incredibly well behaved kid, an never really did anything wrong until I was older... Then while not the angel I was I certainly was never a bad kid.

I think rarely hitting children between 2/3, and maybe 6/7 is ok, as long as it is rarely necessary. Spanking older children is utterly ridiculous, and the spanking a 20 y/o daughter thing is crazy.I'm 16, and if my parents ever tried to hit/smack/spank or otherwise hurt me. I would kick there ass, or at least try
Now the fact my Dad has hit me a number of times lately while practicing Aikido doesn't count of course

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

I think I was only spanked a couple of times as a child, maybe even just once, but it was enough for me to realize who was the one in charge. I was quick to learn I act out of line, punishment will follow, hence why I have been a good kid.

 

[Grisu]

It's so easy to pick out children, teenagers, and young adults that were never spanked as a child in America.

how so? I'd say it's easy to pick the childredn that were not properly parented. I t has nothing to do with spanking. Not spanking your children doesn't mean that you raise them anit-authoritan and let them get away with everything.

So? I think it would be weird if a father still spanked his 20 year old daughter. I would even say that it's rather creepy. But it isn't illegal.

if she objects, it sure as hell is...

Children aren't rational. Sometimes the only way to teach them something is through the use of hard discipline, including spanking. You can say that it shouldn't be that way, but that's the way it is.

discipline yes, spanking no. There are plenty of ways to discipline your children that don't include violence.

 

[silver 2039]

So? I think it would be weird if a father still spanked his 20 year old daughter. I would even say that it's rather creepy. But it isn't illegal.

Thats called assault.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Usefull and needed? Nope.

Effective short term? Yep.

And why do I never see someone say: I got spanked (I spanked my kids)/I didn't get spanked (I didn't ...) and I (they) turned out to be a complete bastard(s) as argument? Heh, shows how much that argument means to me

 

[Pokurcz]

All dough my parents where for spanking as a mean to discipline children, they never had to do it. Probably because my father has this way of communicating obedience by looking sternly at children and having a very commanding voice (without raising it), very effective.

I think it is because of not embracing this pro-spanking attitude that Swedish children are in fact comparatively badly disciplined.

I have two instances from my own experience as examples. When I went to kindergarten there where some five more children, apart from me and my sister, that where from Poland, and my kindergarten teacher told my dad that she wished that all the kids where from Poland because when you told them to do something they did it, whilst the Swedish kids had to be persuaded.

The other example is more vivid in my memory as it is my experience of the Swedish army, where I was in the Artillery in Boden for ten months. I can tell you for a fact that people where more disciplined in the summer camps I went to when I was 14 and 15 in Poland than in the Regiment I was at in 1999.

And an older friend (also Polish) of mine who did his army duty in the "Fjälljägarna" described it as summer camp.

So basically the Swedish special forces are as disciplined as Polish kids at summer camp.

 

[skadistic]

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What about 240V?

Possibly. I've taken 210v and lived. If junior didn't learn with 120v and was sticking a fork in the drier outlet and I told him it was like the last time only worse and the idiot still went for it maybe just maybe its for the greater good.

Seriously though if you have open outlets and forks laying around, as a parent maybe its you that needs to be spanked.

 

[Merkinball]

How so? is there any evidence to support this or are you stretching to justify hitting children? - shadylookin

First: If you see a child step out of a Prius, or a minivan with a bumper sticker with some clever catch phrase against the war...yeah, that kid doesn't get hit.

Two examples. I was touring around Cape Cod and Boston last week. I was at Fenway, and there were these two, rude, pudgy, haggard looking children just running around all over the place. Pushing people aside to play tag, not using their manners, and their parents did nothing. Well, one of them made a mistake and ran into me. I yelled at the little brat to stop. He did, dead in his tracks. I asked him, "Your parents never hit you did they?" "Nooooooo!" I shake my head, he goes running off.

At Nauset Beach, I'm fashioning myself a beautiful sandcastle. The people next to us have some small children. Like...2-4 range, three kids. One kid is trying his best to destroy my sand castle. I make it perfectly clear, without being direct, that I do not want the child around. Mom does nothing. The kids are going into the ocean, probably cannot swim, with rip tides all over the place. The parents do nothing. Finally, I got fed up because their smallest child almost went into the ocean and the mother did nothing. I grabbed the kid by the hand, took him to his mother, tell her what happened and said, "You never hit your kids do you." She didn't say anything. It was kind of check mate.

Kids that have temper tantrums in stores? They don't get hit.
Kids who's parents give them everything they want to avoid a scene? They don't get hit.

Teenagers inside Banana Republic? They never got hit.

There's such a stark contrast between how children act here in America, where spanking is taboo, and the third world where spanking and down right beat downs are common place.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Anecdotal evidence is worse than nothing.

 

[JollyRoger]

There's such a stark contrast between how children act here in America, where spanking is taboo, and the third world where spanking and down right beat downs are common place.

Yep. We need to spank more so our kids will be able to lead America to the greatness that is the third world.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

There's a thin line between spanking and beating ...

I really hate my parents.
I'm not saying that is the reason i hate them ... but rest assured it contributed to the hate.

If you really feel an overwhelming urge to beat your children then just give them one slap.

 

[Grisu]

First: If you see a child step out of a Prius, or a minivan with a bumper sticker with some clever catch phrase against the war...yeah, that kid doesn't get hit.

Two examples. I was touring around Cape Cod and Boston last week. I was at Fenway, and there were these two, rude, pudgy, haggard looking children just running around all over the place. Pushing people aside to play tag, not using their manners, and their parents did nothing. Well, one of them made a mistake and ran into me. I yelled at the little brat to stop. He did, dead in his tracks. I asked him, "Your parents never hit you did they?" "Nooooooo!" I shake my head, he goes running off.

At Nauset Beach, I'm fashioning myself a beautiful sandcastle. The people next to us have some small children. Like...2-4 range, three kids. One kid is trying his best to destroy my sand castle. I make it perfectly clear, without being direct, that I do not want the child around. Mom does nothing. The kids are going into the ocean, probably cannot swim, with rip tides all over the place. The parents do nothing. Finally, I got fed up because their smallest child almost went into the ocean and the mother did nothing. I grabbed the kid by the hand, took him to his mother, tell her what happened and said, "You never hit your kids do you." She didn't say anything. It was kind of check mate.

Kids that have temper tantrums in stores? They don't get hit.
Kids who's parents give them everything they want to avoid a scene? They don't get hit.

Teenagers inside Banana Republic? They never got hit.

There's such a stark contrast between how children act here in America, where spanking is taboo, and the third world where spanking and down right beat downs are common place.

well that whole post was basically exactly the point I tried to make earlier: The problem is not that their parents don't hit them, it's that they do nothing.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

A damned good thrashing is one of many tools to craft the youth with. Many children would have turned out very differently indeed had their owners inflicted a few fatal beatings on them.
Useful and needed until majority, in combination with the occasional hanging in primary school to encourage the others.

 

[puglover]

A damned good thrashing is one of many tools to craft the youth with. Many children would have turned out very differently indeed had their owners inflicted a few fatal beatings on them.

Eh? They'd turn out dead?

 

[Atlas14]

Spanking is often necessary for children, though it should be used sparingly.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Precisely! They are very different. There are a couple up there in sick bay now, stiff as a board and bright green. And beginning to smell.

 

[aronnax]

Spanking till 6 -7 years old.

Caning 7 -10 years old.

Flogging 10 - 25 years old.

Imprisonment 25 - 65.

If they haven't learnt by then...Hang the buggers.

I actually agree with you. But replace Flogging with a Caning with a metal pole