Spanking kids usefull and needed till when?

[Merkinball]

Yep. We need to spank more so our kids will be able to lead America to the greatness that is the third world. - JollyRoger

Yep, because spanking leads to poverty!

 

[mangxema]

Honestly, as far as I can tell, most of the people who think spanking is barbaric and wrong never were spanked growing up. Most of the ones who were don't seem to have a problem with it. (I'm excluding of course the people who were not spanked but beaten and abused - I'm talking about responsible discipline, not child abuse) Rather ironic, actually.

The exclusion is unnecessary; abuse tends to perpetuate through the generations too.

Me, I was rarely spanked... maybe a few times in my life.

 

[JollyRoger]

Yep, because spanking leads to poverty!

You're the one that expounded on the stark contrast. I assumed you were making some sort of point of how we could improve ourselves by following their lead.

 

[Brighteye]

Kids that have temper tantrums in stores? They don't get hit.
Kids who's parents give them everything they want to avoid a scene? They don't get hit.

I disagree with this part. I have seen many parents boiling with fury at children making a fuss, or weeping, in a shop or on a train. The parents simply don't want to make a scene themselves. I would never impose myself by actively intervening, but I always respect those parents who sit it out rather than offer sweets or something. It doesn't mean that they never hit their children...
it can mean that the children are just going to get an almighty whopping somewhere a bit more private where the inevitable wailing and weeping won't disturb the passengers. I have seen this happen too.

 

[bhsup]

Just out of curiosity, am I the only CFC OT poster who actually made their teacher a paddle? Did it in fifth grade. It was 3/4", about 18" long not counting the handle, and had three large holes drilled into it's length.

 

[Grisu]

Just out of curiosity, am I the only CFC OT poster who actually made their teacher a paddle? Did it in fifth grade. It was 3/4", about 18" long not counting the handle, and had three large holes drilled into it's length.

huh, you made the teacher a paddle with which he could flog the pupils, or what?

anyway, if a teacher even thought of using a paddle on his pupils here, he'd be out of his job in no-time.

 

[bhsup]

huh, you made the teacher a paddle with which he could flog the pupils, or what?

No flogging, just a good honest paddling! But yes, I made her one.

anyway, if a teacher even thought of using a paddle on his pupils here, he'd be out of his job in no-time.

That was in 1979. Times have changed here as well and there are not very many school districts around anymore that allow any sort of physical punishment, unfortunately.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Unfortunately?

Do you mean that the pupils in that school were all little angels who never beat up other kids or did anything wrong ever, and this was all due to paddling? So, the paddle made itself redundant?

 

[Verbose]

Just out of curiosity, am I the only CFC OT poster who actually made their teacher a paddle? Did it in fifth grade. It was 3/4", about 18" long not counting the handle, and had three large holes drilled into it's length.

Did he/she inaugurate it on you?

 

[bhsup]

Unfortunately?

Do you mean that the pupils in that school were all little angels who never beat up other kids or did anything wrong ever, and this was all due to paddling? So, the paddle made itself redundant?

No, I don't mean that. However, I honestly don't recall many students making the same mistake twice which led to being paddled.

Did he/she inaugurate it on you?

No, I wasn't the first, but I did taste the sting once. Those holes were a lot more effective than I thought they would be in increasing the sting effect. Actually, it was inaugurated on me, at home. I was playing some board game with my older brother and my younger brother was swinging the paddle around before it was completed. Clocked me right in the head with it.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

anyway, if a teacher even thought of using a paddle on his pupils here, he'd be out of his job in no-time.

You're joking right ?
Anyway....
Paddling in the clasroom should be allowed and RECOMENDED.

I got paddled a lot (with a ruler not a paddle) in grades 1-4 and i have to say it was a good thing.

You may ask why is spanking by parents MUCH worse than being spanked at school. Simple.
In school everything is clear - you have to obey some rules. If you disobey you will get some wodden rulers over your palms or other stuff like that.
At home things are different - your parents love you. Then why are they beating/spanking you ? Shouldn't they be more forgiving ? Why do they say they love you after ?

The teacher does not have many options when dealing with breaking of rules. (who the hell cared about bad grades or being made to sit in the corner) Therfore some slaps on the hands are good.

She is the teacher, she is evil, of course she slaps you with a ruler - it's normal for her to do that.
But your parents say they are good. They say hitting people is evil. Then why are they hitting ?

Do you see where i'm going with this ? It's the fact that they aren't how you imagined them to be.
You might say "life is full of disapointments, deal with it". Of course it's true, but 4-5year old children should NOT have to deal with these things.

 

[silver 2039]

You're joking right ?

Not at all. I imagine thats the same in most Western countries.

 

[Shadylookin]

First: If you see a child step out of a Prius, or a minivan with a bumper sticker with some clever catch phrase against the war...yeah, that kid doesn't get hit.

Two examples. I was touring around Cape Cod and Boston last week. I was at Fenway, and there were these two, rude, pudgy, haggard looking children just running around all over the place. Pushing people aside to play tag, not using their manners, and their parents did nothing. Well, one of them made a mistake and ran into me. I yelled at the little brat to stop. He did, dead in his tracks. I asked him, "Your parents never hit you did they?" "Nooooooo!" I shake my head, he goes running off.

At Nauset Beach, I'm fashioning myself a beautiful sandcastle. The people next to us have some small children. Like...2-4 range, three kids. One kid is trying his best to destroy my sand castle. I make it perfectly clear, without being direct, that I do not want the child around. Mom does nothing. The kids are going into the ocean, probably cannot swim, with rip tides all over the place. The parents do nothing. Finally, I got fed up because their smallest child almost went into the ocean and the mother did nothing. I grabbed the kid by the hand, took him to his mother, tell her what happened and said, "You never hit your kids do you." She didn't say anything. It was kind of check mate.

Kids that have temper tantrums in stores? They don't get hit.
Kids who's parents give them everything they want to avoid a scene? They don't get hit.

Teenagers inside Banana Republic? They never got hit.

There's such a stark contrast between how children act here in America, where spanking is taboo, and the third world where spanking and down right beat downs are common place.

other than making me think you have a weird sadism fetish towards children because you actually asked if they beat their kids that doesn't really support anything.

my sister spanks her daughter all the time and she still acts like a heathen.

my neighbors spank their kids and they still run around and act like little hellions.

My brother never spanked his children and they're very good kids even though they're teenagers.

I was spanked and the general consensus is that I'm a jackass.

so anecdotal evidence is pretty much meaningless.

 

[MjM]

I commend my mom for not spanking any 6 of us except for one time each, and that is the first time we ran into the street. And none of us ever did it again.

 

[skadistic]

I was paddled at the cathoholic elementary school. Damn nuns were ruthless and evil. The worst part was getting my knuckles whacked for writing with my left hand.

 

[Elrohir]

Thats called assault.

Only if she presses charges.

The exclusion is unnecessary; abuse tends to perpetuate through the generations too.

Me, I was rarely spanked... maybe a few times in my life.

So it perpetuates....so what? That is only a bad thing if spanking itself is a bad thing. If it is a good thing, then its perpetuation is a good thing.

Spanking can be good, it can be bad, depending on how it is used. You can't say it is always abusive, as that is nonsense. (I'm not saying you are saying that mangxema, but some are)

 

[Rossiya]

I heard of this village called Rastrelli in Italy, where its private school makes a point of using physical punishments.

 

[Merkinball]

other than making me think you have a weird sadism fetish towards children because you actually asked if they beat their kids that doesn't really support anything.

my sister spanks her daughter all the time and she still acts like a heathen.

my neighbors spank their kids and they still run around and act like little hellions.

My brother never spanked his children and they're very good kids even though they're teenagers.

I was spanked and the general consensus is that I'm a jackass.

so anecdotal evidence is pretty much meaningless. - shadylookin

I guess your sister and neighbors need to spank her daughter harder or longer.

Your brother is blessed. I'm not at all saying that you can't have kids that don't act up without spanking. I'm saying that, in general, kids that act up and are little rude hellions don't get spanked, or have nothing done to them in general. They're spoiled.

Who's been to Arabia? Has anybody ever seen an Arab kid act out in public? Anybody? I sure never have. And you know why that is.

You're the one that expounded on the stark contrast. I assumed you were making some sort of point of how we could improve ourselves by following their lead. - Jollyroger

We could improve ourselves from following their lead in some regards. Maybe then kids wouldn't be bringing guns to school. Maybe they wouldn't be disrespecting teachers and school officials? Maybe they wouldn't be rude to others? Maybe they wouldn't be rude in public? Maybe they'd act like nice young, polite ladies and gentlemen like the Arab kids do. Maybe they'd have some respect for their elders, and their very own parents.

I would reckon that if some of you were to accompany me to a public place, that you'd be astounded at my ability to pick out families that don't hit their kids.

Kids act out because they don't fear the consequences of their actions.

 

[JollyRoger]

We could improve ourselves from following their lead in some regards. Maybe then kids wouldn't be bringing guns to school. Maybe they wouldn't be disrespecting teachers and school officials? Maybe they wouldn't be rude to others? Maybe they wouldn't be rude in public? Maybe they'd act like nice young, polite ladies and gentlemen like the Arab kids do. Maybe they'd have some respect for their elders, and their very own parents.

So are you saying that Arabs grow up to be better adjusted? Who's side are you on, exactly, in the war on terra?

 

[Shadylookin]

I guess your sister and neighbors need to spank her daughter harder or longer.

Your brother is blessed. I'm not at all saying that you can't have kids that don't act up without spanking. I'm saying that, in general, kids that act up and are little rude hellions don't get spanked, or have nothing done to them in general. They're spoiled.

if they were beat any harder or longer I think it would constitute as a legitimate child abuse case. Anyway I thought the whole point of spanking wasn't about hurting them, but about showing them who's boss.

Anyhow your anecdotal evidence is easily countered by other's anecdotal evidence, the real question is are there any studies that show spanking as a punishment really works significantly better than other forms of discipline?

We could improve ourselves from following their lead in some regards. Maybe then kids wouldn't be bringing guns to school. Maybe they wouldn't be disrespecting teachers and school officials? Maybe they wouldn't be rude to others? Maybe they wouldn't be rude in public? Maybe they'd act like nice young, polite ladies and gentlemen like the Arab kids do. Maybe they'd have some respect for their elders, and their very own parents.

I would reckon that if some of you were to accompany me to a public place, that you'd be astounded at my ability to pick out families that don't hit their kids.

Kids act out because they don't fear the consequences of their actions.

you mean those third world countries with 14 year old soldiers shooting random people? would you want to walk in the middle of a in a third world country at night? I'm sure the people that will mug, rape, kidnap, or otherwise harm you will be glad to know how well disciplined you think they were as children.