Spongebob Squarepants Mafia Game Thread.

[Darth Caesar]

Gee, that's a great way to start a game, he's replacing Omni.

 

[Autolycus]

Well, I think I'm going to have to unvote, vote: robbiecon, since I'd like to live.

 

[Kennigit]

Why are we voting for Autolycus?

Well, I voted for him since he bandwagoned sprig. Of which you are guilty of too.

Civgeneral bandwagoned my vote, and that makes me a sad panda. I don't like bandwagoners.

edit- plus, if Autolycus was a real on-the-ball mafia and Drumstudent was innocent, it'd be fairly convenient to knock off an inactive innocent in a lynch. Especially if you can frame on Catharsis fairly easily.

 

[DaveShack]

CivGeneral gives a reasonable excuse for not voting yesterday, unless it's also a good way to keep from getting recognized as scum by voting pattern.

Plus jumping on the bandwagon and maybe he needs more free time to run resident evil.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't like bandwagoners.

How do the bad guys end up dead without a bandwagon?

The only thing that's wrong with bandwagons is when they get so big, on just one person, that there's no way for folks to change their mind, and so they end up voting the second place candidate simply because they aren't the first candidate, which is the best reasoning evar.

 

[Catharsis]

{<- Catharsis}

I am actually still here, just won't be posting much, only my votes and small conersations.

Then why don't you answer my question? Geeeez!

Spoiler :

Fish Finger of Suspicion: DrumStudent

Well I think Domination is a good bet. But in the spirit of bandwagoning, Domination3000 Autolycus

 

[landlubber]

Sure, why not?
Autolycus

 

[Kennigit]

How do the bad guys end up dead without a bandwagon?

The only thing that's wrong with bandwagons is when they get so big, on just one person, that there's no way for folks to change their mind, and so they end up voting the second place candidate simply because they aren't the first candidate, which is the best reasoning evar.

'Cuz you can't tell who is being stupid and who is actually scum.

 

[Kennigit]

Vote: Robbiecon

I will not be very active in this game.

If you make a case on me, I will ignore it.

If you lynch me, I will not say one word in my defense beforehand.

I'm not important enough a character to care what happens, and my personal goal is survival, so that's not going to happen either.

If the mafia wants to murder me, I'm soft and squishy and I won't put up a fight.

Are you gary?

 

[choxorn]

Nah, it's exactly like ATPG to do that, then suddenly become active again later and pwn all the mafia.

 

[johnhughthom]

Nah, it's exactly like ATPG to do that, then suddenly become active again later and pwn all the town.

Fixed.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nah, it's exactly like ATPG to do that, then suddenly become active again later and pwn everyone.

Fixed.

'Cuz you can't tell who is being stupid and who is actually scum.

That doesn't answer my question.


How, exactly, do we kill the mafia without voting for them in greater numbers than one or two?

Let me clarify: You can't win a game that way.

 

[robbiecon]

There is someone who can attest to my innocence, but in the interests of their safety I will not call upon them to speak up.

I will vote Autolycus, because I wish to stay alive so that I may be of use, especially when I believe I know a scanner and a protector, but we need to check the protector tonight to make sure he is who I believe him to be.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Kennigit

I'm not into dogpiling the number two candidate just because he's not the number one candidate.

I also think Kennigit lecturing people not to bandwagon triggers Askthepizzaguy's list of things mafia do to pretend to be townie and is inherently full of cow droppings.

 

[Kennigit]

How, exactly, do we kill the mafia without voting for them in greater numbers than one or two?

Never do I say anything about that. What I said was I don't particularly like bandwagoners. You then respond saying how can we kill mafia without bandwagons (which is true to a certain extent). That uses a different defintion of bandwagoning than I do.

Then answer depends on the design of the game, and you know that. Some people in this game have abilities that should better identify (ie PROVIDE REASONS FOR VOTING PATTERNS) mafia/scum.

Example 1: Person A votes for sprig (an innocent) and states no reason. Person B, C, D vote for sprig. There is no reason for Person A to vote sprig and there is no reason for person B, C, D to vote sprig. Bandwagon

Contrast with Example 2: Person A votes for sprig and claims a reason. Person B, C, D can all follow Person A's vote and not be truly bandwagoning since they have a reason--if no more than to test Person A's claim. Since they have no better information for themself, their best vote can be to follow person A's vote. Nonbandwagon

Those are the definitions I use. If you use other definitions, please define them. Bandwagoning to me means no logical reason from an innocent's point of view

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Over-use of smiley faces: scummy.

Never do I say anything about that. What I said was I don't particularly like bandwagoners. You then respond saying how can we kill mafia without bandwagons (which is true to a certain extent). That uses a different defintion of bandwagoning than I do.

First person to vote: Not a bandwagon. More like a nomination.
Second person to vote: Technically a bandwagon, but more like a confirmation.
Third person to vote: Getting on the bandwagon.

What definition could you be using? There aren't that many people voting.

Then answer depends on the design of the game, and you know that. Some people in this game have abilities that should better identify (ie PROVIDE REASONS FOR VOTING PATTERNS) mafia/scum.

You advocate waiting for the pro-town power roles to save us?

Sure, that doesn't leave us wide open for manipulation and deceit, and it certainly doesn't allow for the townies to go rounds at a time without using their heads or accusing scum on their own, and it certainly doesn't remove all pressure from the actual mafia to have to worry about being randomly accused or "bandwagoned" if you will.

Example 1: Person A votes for sprig (an innocent) and states no reason. Person B, C, D vote for sprig. There is no reason for Person A to vote sprig and there is no reason for person B, C, D to vote sprig. Bandwagon

No reason stated doesn't always mean no reason.

Contrast with Example 2: Person A votes for sprig and claims a reason. Person B, C, D can all follow Person A's vote and not be truly bandwagoning since they have a reason--if no more than to test Person A's claim. Since they have no better information for themself, their best vote can be to follow person A's vote. Nonbandwagon

This is no different from the first option, except mafia scumbags can add "reasons" just as easily as they can ignore putting reasons.

I've demonstrated several dozen times in the past that you can generate sound "reasons" to vote for anyone as mafia without much thought. Or town for that matter.

Those are the definitions I use. If you use other definitions, please define them. Bandwagoning to me means no logical reason from an innocent's point of view

No, that's reasonless voting.

Bandwagoning is following someone else's vote regardless of reasons or lack thereof.

Reasonless voting, you could argue, is bad for the town. It at least could force the mafia to have to make up reasons that can sound like lies if everyone states reasons for their vote.

But, since townies give no reasons for their votes much more often than mafia do, it's one of a bad indicator of mafia, and a pretty bad stand-alone reason to vote for someone.



However, I will tell you this. In almost every game I've been in where the mafia did not try a lurk lurk lurk strategy, one of them got all high and mighty about what the town should and should not do to survive. They articulated "townie"-sounding reasons why the town should avoid making certain mistakes, and pretended to be indignant when others didn't follow their absurd rules. I've even done that as scum, to my chagrin. It happens to many players, regardless of skill level, when they're desperate to blend in and act townie.

What you've done, so far, in the brief time I've been here, is act like you're acting like you're townie, by admonishing people for the simple act of voting for their chosen candidate.

You could question them, ask them their reasons, you could explain why reasonless voting is bad, and I'd agree with you. Those are townie things to do.

However, smacking them around with some notion that bandwagoners are bad completely ignores the fact that bandwagons are the only way to destroy scum, besides sitting on our thumbs and hoping and praying some pro-town role (who isn't a scumbag pretending) will come along and save us.

It smells of wanting to give the impression of being townie, while simultaneously doing nothing actually positive at the same time. And so, that is a far better reason to vote for someone than any I've seen all round.

@All-

I'd encourage a small pressure "bandwagon" on Kennigit. I haven't had someone trigger my scum sniffer this badly since Subotan in Star Wars.

 

[Kennigit]

Alright. I rephrase to "reasonless voting" then. As yoda might have said, "reasonless voting leads to bandwagoning. Bandwagoning leads to panic. Panic leads to innocent losses"

Regardless, vote away.

 

[choxorn]

Pizza raises compelling arguments, but on the other hand, he could just be a mafia doing his usual thing of making arguments that sound like ATPG arguments but really are just BS.

The problem with this is that ATPG exists in a simultaneous state of being innocent, mafia, neutral, pizza serial killer, werewolf, god-townie, and other, a state known as "Schrodinger's Pizza."

For now, since Auto already has a massive bandwagon on him: Unvote: Autolycus, Vote: Kennigit

 

[Love]

Pizza made a long post, he must be smart. Therefor, do as he said! Vote: Kennigit

 

[Sprig]

why is person A B C & D voting for me. what have i ever done wrong?

Also atpg..... I see walls of txt. Smells like activity