Steve Jobs is a GP

[Archbob]

Is Bill Gates one? I'd have to say Windows overall is more influentual than apple.

Whatever you choose to call what you're doing certainly makes you self-righteous, if nothing else.

Pretty typical of Avid Mac fans. Many who won't even admit that Macs are incredibly over priced.

 

[say1988]

I would say that Steve Jobs had a far bigger personal impact on the world than Bill Gates, at least in terms of his celebrity. 'Greatness', after all, is a measure of influence.

In that sense, definitely. Jobs was (and still is today) at the heart of the marketing machine that Apple has become. I can't say how much was him or those around him on the idea, technical, or marketing front, but his personal image was a critical factor in building Apple up from what it was in the mid-late 1990s. He became the centre of a near cult-like following for a significant number of people.
And that is ignoring early Apple stuff because I don't know squat about it.

Gates was never as central to the external image of Microsoft other than just being there. He is best known to the general public for simply being very, very rich.

 

[caketastydelish]

Is Bill Gates one? I'd have to say Windows overall is more influentual than apple.



Pretty typical of Avid Mac fans. Many who won't even admit that Macs are incredibly over priced.

Good luck calling a windows user an "avid mac fan".

Just because I don't like impartial biased people bashing things to a pulp makes me an avid mac fan?

 

[ZeletDude]

Apples products are for snobs. Almost every person I seen who has an iphone or whatever, just wants to show it off and brag.

So why is Bill Gates not in the game?

This a million times, I don't want to be rude. But that persona comes along with Apple products, mainly I-phones, and I-pads.
I have an I-Pod Touch (4th Gen.), but no I-Phone, but if my parents allowed me to get a Smartphone (i.e they payed for it), I would likely choose an I-Phone. Maybe because of the persona that goes with it, maybe because Apple products are so sleek looking...

 

[ParkCungHee]

So what's the complaint here?
That Steve Jobs's actual personal effects don't merit being a great person or that his...I don't know, behavior don't merit being a great person.
Because Civ IV great people weren't, er, great about either.

 

[Flying Pig]

Is Bill Gates one? I'd have to say Windows overall is more influentual than apple.

Yes, but Gates isn't. Steve Jobs had a lot of personal influence, which is what makes him that cut above in 'greatness' terms. Bill Gates certainly wasn't a visionary in quite the same way; one could argue that any good businessman with the same starting situation and broad outlook on computing would have done almost as well. The same cannot be said for Apple and Jobs.