stNNES7: Worlds and Empires

[Xen]

France has it's own distinct language, unlike the Germans or the Ravennans. Enough said.

not nearlly so; that it still bears distinction to Ravennic is cause in and of itself for me and das to continue our discussion, in the absence of an update

 

[North King]

It isn't based on Ravennan or German. Ravennan has only influenced their own nation, and Pannonia... And there are some Ravennan speakers in Lombardia.

 

[Israelite9191]

Fine, it was a group of entire French villagers that were enslaved by Balearic pirates but fought back. They took control of the ships, using Balearic naval knowledge to sail them, but could not return to France because their lands were already taken by other Frenchmen. The rest stays the same.

 

[Xen]

let jason decide- its his country, and just because it isnt written in the update (a history book from far in the future?) dosent mean it didnt happen; me and das are just giving the NES a third dimension, a more realistic quality then what it presented in the updates.

besides, it still based on real french, which is a latinante language- thier is a connection, be it as a major influnece, or as the full base of the language; you cant just go and say two nations that boprder eachother share no connection, if that was true we Americans wouldnt have Taco Bell or Mike Myers- and like wise, Ravenna wouldnt be drinking French wines (in addition to thos emade in Ravenna itself) or have SPanish and Pannonian cross bred horses running around; but likewise, the influence works both ways, and the nation around Ravenna would have taken a few ques from it as well.

if you really wanted this all to stop however, you would update

 

[Xen]

Fine, it was a group of entire French villagers that were enslaved by Balearic pirates but fought back. They took control of the ships, using Balearic naval knowledge to sail them, but could not return to France because their lands were already taken by other Frenchmen. The rest stays the same.

dosent work = the France and Balerics have been allies throught thier history

 

[alex994]

nothing is worse then a "skirmishing war" like what happend in the far east in stNNES 3-IIRC the number correctlly)

By the love of Heaven xen! A "skirmishing war"???? What did you call the Battle of Jinan? the Fall of Qingdao? and etc. The Battle of Jinan was the largest battle in the world back in stNNES 3, that can hardly be considered "skirmishing" Anyways, you skimmed over the east asian update back then anyways...

EDIT: Israelite could just be Portuguese

 

[Oruc]

they could be Britannians driven out by bloodthirsty french owls

 

[North King]

let jason decide- its his country, and just because it isnt written in the update (a history book from far in the future?) dosent mean it didnt happen; me and das are just giving the NES a third dimension, a more realistic quality then what it presented in the updates.

besides, it still based on real french, which is a latinante language- thier is a connection, be it as a major influnece, or as the full base of the language; you cant just go and say two nations that boprder eachother share no connection, if that was true we Americans wouldnt have Taco Bell or Mike Myers- and like wise, Ravenna wouldnt be drinking French wines (in addition to thos emade in Ravenna itself) or have SPanish and Pannonian cross bred horses running around; but likewise, the influence works both ways, and the nation around Ravenna would have taken a few ques from it as well.

if you really wanted this all to stop however, you would update

Um... They have been influenced by Ravenna. But not significantly. Ravenna is not a real major "cultural exporter". That title would go to nations like Syria, Armenia, etc.

The Culture stat does do something, you know... And this NES is not based in real history.

 

[Oruc]

but The Iberian empire (renaming it to that soon) and Ravenna will soon join Syria and Armenia as culural exporters though, we both have strong culture levels

 

[Xen]

The Culture stat does do something, you know... And this NES is not based in real history.

you forget- for a very long tiem Ravenna was king of an area with very low culture in general- it may even still be that way; thus, while its not huge on the world stage, it was major in the little cesspit that is (was?) european cultural export.

and besides, it is based on real history; all NES's are to the point that we generally creat nations where they were located in real life, with names similer to real life names, and generally speaking these natiosn behave as real nations do (though are in many cases much more bloodthirsty) but that dosent mean, if this was a real history of a real world, that the basic mechanics of how things work woudl be ignored- let us have our fun, and let us flesh out this wonderful realm you've created for us NK

 

[Xen]

By the love of Heaven xen! A "skirmishing war"???? What did you call the Battle of Jinan? the Fall of Qingdao? and etc. The Battle of Jinan was the largest battle in the world back in stNNES 3, that can hardly be considered "skirmishing" Anyways, you skimmed over the east asian update back then anyways...

EDIT: Israelite could just be Portuguese

well i wont argue eith you thier- thier was little f interest in the far east for me to read over instNNES 3 (with thier being multiple natiosn in the region, i findmyself looking to it more and more however, for somthing interesting )

 

[das]

nations like Syria

Precisely.

*slips an ancient Syrian coin to NK*

the France and Balerics have been allies throught thier history

Well, one thing is the alliance between their states, other thing is the "independant" raiders (I get the impression that they aren't unlike Vikings in that regard...). Besides, now that there is a civil war in Balearia, things happen...

 

[Xen]

true, but it would make more sense if they were just portugese.

alternatelly, in a recent story I worte about the pirate in cape Verde, who wer ebeginning to be a real worry on the gorwing Ravennic shipping on the coast of Africa, a naval flotilla was distaptch to scatter them, and to claim the islands which they had estbalished a bse on; these pirates, i belive I wrote, came from all over westenr europe- portugal, spain, baelria- even Ravenna and France; theoretically, such a nation coudl also be based on those pirates escaping, fleeing across the ocean (or swept thier by the gulf stream, or a storm, ect..) and then inter-marrying with local women to create the unique culture

 

[North King]

However, the pirates aren't yet destroyed...

Plus, Xen, being "Pathetic" in a region of "Barbaric" doesn't say much...

 

[erez87]

By the way I see it, culturaly, Portugal had the most influence. We had colonies in every area in western europe and at some point we practicly occupied all of western europe for quite a time...

 

[Xen]

@NK- its all relitive; besides, righ tnow, if you bother to look, Ravenna's culture leval is "strong"

@erez- strange, i dont remember you occupying any part of Ravenna (which is mainstay located in western europe )

besides the nea runiversal hatred of all things portugese in the victor nations in that war more or less means portugese influence in europe is nullified, except in your origional homland.

 

[Oruc]

Portuguese influence wont last long even in it homelands and the biggest state in Iberia is influenced by Balearics more them Portugal

 

[Jason The King]

The Franks are not celtic, they arent Germanic, they aren't Latin peoples. The Franks of France are just that: Franks. They are not Gauls, whom I defeated a while back, and they aren't normans, who invade us now.

That is not to say that the Franks have been greatly influenced by its neighbors, since they are open to other cultures (unless its Portuguese or German )

They speak a Frankish language, called Frank, lol. While I turned the name to France because it sounds better, it should still be called Kingdom of the Franks. The language is influenced by Ravennic Latin, but not to the point to call it a "latin" language. Think about the French influence in English.

Does this settle things?

 

[Xen]

yes (though I guessin ancient history, before the NES started the franks orignated as a split off from that standard gallio-Celtic groups?)

 

[andis-1]

NK where's the update?!?!