SW3 - we are NINJA

[ÆnigmÆffect]

I'm going to play a shorter turnset, as I'm a bit stumped on what to do.

We're producing HUGE amounts of units. Thus, we're losing gold fast. I think we should get some settlers from even our unit producing towns. We already lost a great spot to Russians (I think we can out culture them to flip them?). I would like the team to figure out what to do next. Mebbe a dot map? Or no point?

T1 - Checking the scene
Gathering troops

Gonna make Izumo A settler/worker pump.


T2
Took Shanghai

IBT
Russia bringing in settlers to old Chinese land... Not cool

T3
Switch Izumo to Granary.
Kyoto unhappy. Raised Lux.
Lowered Sci (losing too much $. Still at -3 for currency. ).
Sold Phil to Mongols (40 gold. Might as well).

T4
Sword attacked archer... Lost sword! Damn RNG.
Attacked Wonsan: Lost archer. One defender left, redlined (miscalculated)
Ancient Cavalry!
Rushed Granary in Izumo

T5
Took Wonsan, lost an archer in process. Came with 4 workers
Lowered Sci again to accommodate for forces eating up treasury.
Sued for Peace, got 26 gold.

IBT
Lost a worker due to barbs

T6
Killed an Archer

IBT
Archer killed a sword

T7
Swords attacking Tsingtao.
2 for 2
Akira became L337.

T8
Cavalry took out barbs, turned elite
Russia took a super nice piece of land, unfortunately Grrr.


The save:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/sw3_530bc.SAV


The map:

 

[Tubby Rower]

I just noticed that HUGE line of swords!!! How many do we have? WE need to use those to take out someone. I don't think that any one city could stand up to 10-15 swords. We need a boss and a target quick. No need on paying support for hitmen when we won't be using them.

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

Good job, ÆnigmÆffect.

We can only support 7 units with our 7 towns...we have 35 units...that's 56 gpt going to just units. I suggest changing a LOT of productions to settlers: Kyoto, Satsuma, Tokyo, Osaka, I'm looking at. They can all produce a settler in a couple of turns (Tokyo next turn).

When our GA runs out, we could be in trouble. I suggest taking out China as soon as possible (AK, we can't make an embassy with someone we are at war at). As AK said, head straight for their capital. I've never heard of the AI moving its leader to safety, even when it is facing 50 units, so I'm sure it's still there.

Also, Russia is offering Construction and 58 gold for Republic. I doubt we want to give her Republic, but I'm just mentioning it.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Actually giving Russia republic might be just what we want to do. Give me a second here.....

If we give her Republic, she'd probably go into anarchy. Then get a boss and go after her. She'll more than likely have at least 4 turns of anarchy and no production progress. Might be an opportunity to get Constr. and get rid of Russia....

 

[RowAndLive]

I like you thoughts, TR, and certainly know what to do with swords. Who could be a good boss vs the Rus? Korea?

soul warrior - charged into a Republican GA
AEnigmaAEffect - started the trek South
IroquisPlisken - just pinch hit
Row&Live - UP
tubby rower - On Deck
Admiral kotzov -

 

[RowAndLive]

I now have it.

 

[soul_warrior]

my 2p
i agree about our glorious hitmen string. we need to get rid of that ASAP.
i would go with tubby's plan. finish off china (1-3 turns) veer NE towards russia (2-4 turns), sell her REP for whatever she has, get Korea's or Mongol sanction, and use our blades there.
i fear the koreans might be too weak to prove effective. maybe we can get them both in on the fun? that would be
productionwise - lets keep IZUMO as a settler pump, turn ALL cities to produce atleast one settler-worker, and then revert back to sword making?

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

sounds like SW has a plan - run with it

 

[RowAndLive]

6 Done. Pyramids completed T4 in Beijing. China evaporated on T6 after killing 8 spears, 1 warrior + Mao over 2 turns. Mongols DOW on us IBT T5 after I refused extortion for CoL. Should finish 12 tonight.

 

[Tubby Rower]

12 tonight? do you mean 12 turns or 12 midnight? Do we want to get Korea in on the Mongols or are we already at war with them?

I guess Russia isn;t our next target

 

[RowAndLive]

I meant 12 turns, since AEAE finished 2 turns short. Hopefully before midnight, as I can't afford to do a third night in a row of 5 hours sleep.

I'm thinking that Russia still has to be the target, mainly because the Mongols are so far away from our army in the South, and our lack of roads. They're also rapidly cutting in on our Chinese territories. I'll try to bring Korea in, and can very likely ignore the Mongols with no problems. The only issue is that Korea is furious with us for the recent misunderstanding. The Mongols had been merely annoyed before this, as are the Rus.

 

[RowAndLive]

530 – 0
reset prefs & grid.

IBT: BH jumps on our silks.
Kyoto sword > settler, Tokyo sword > settler
We are the most advanced, with Russia second.

510 – 1
vSword -1 kills BH, movin

IBT: 2 Rus settler pairs – 1 E of Vlad, 1 N of Beijing. Pyramids completed in Beijing – awe, too bad. Rus swap to ToA.
Nagoya sword > sword.

490 – 2
eSword -2 kills archer, movin.

IBT: Mongols demand CoL – no, & they declare.
Kyoto settler > sword, Satsuma sword > settler, Izumo settler > spear

470 – 3
movin

IBT: Rus grab another choice spot NW of Beijing. Treasury warning.
Kyoto > ACav, Osaka sword > lib, Tokyo settler > lib, Nara spear > warrior

450 – 4
@Beijing, vSword -1 kills spear & promotes, vArcher dies taking 1 off spear, eSword -0 kills spear – no GL

IBT: Russ ia construction + 58g, down lit & republic
We have a worker disband.
Currency comes in > construction in 16
Kyoto sword > sword, Nagoya sword > lib

430 – 5
swap Kyoto to lib
@Izumo, vSword -0 kills BH
@Beijing, vSword -2 kills spear & promotes, eSword -4 & kills spear, vSword -1 kills spear, 4/5 sword -1 kills warrior & exposes Mao
Disband warrior in Tokyo saving 2gpt & in Izumo saving 2gpt & archer in Kyoto saving 2gpt. Create scientist in Nara & drop rsch to 0.
Now at 0g +2gpt.

IBT: Rus settler moves

410 – 6
3/5 sword dies taking spear red, 2/4 sword kills spear, Acav kills Mao & promotes
China disappears. We lose the Pyramids!

IBT: Rus found another & begin Colossus.
Izumo spear > market, we found Nagasaki by the inland sea > temple in 15

390 – 7
Change Nara to worker build.

IBT: Satsuma settler > lib

370 – 8
Change all but Nagoya from libs to markets. Change Satsuma to court.
Mongols lead in score & power.
China has a settler, and stays in, even with Mao dead – the “can’t build” paradox.

IBT: GA ends, folks add to the palace. Grow a AC in Kyoto.

350 – 9
Discover barb camp, 2 BW, 1 BH W of old Beijing.
Disband warrior in Tokyo.

IBT: AC -0 defends vs BH.

330 – 10
Yokohama founded to have 6BG, horse & whale after expansion > temple.
AC -2 kills BW on hill dispersing a BC for 25g.

IBT: AC -0 defends against BW & BH & promotes. Rus settler pair shows @ Vlad.

310 – 11
AC pops a GH, gets 50g, -0 kills BW.

IBT: Kyoto market > lib, Nara worker > galley (to go find India).

290 – 12
- warrior available to move to & disband in Kyoto, but may need for MP happiness.
- Settler Sal available to settle in place for 2 cows, or move down to irrigated grass 1E-2SE to get 1 cow, 3BG, silks & 2 forests.
- Settler Sid near Vlad needs to move for blocking Rus settler first, or settle 1 SW of current position on plains & get FP with wheat.
- Couldn't get a boss versus Russia. Determine next war. Mongols? Think we can get MA with Korea for free, and maybe Russia too. This would draw both their forces away from us & perhaps stem settler flow.
- Need to use 3 swords @ Vlad to block settler pair.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Ok I got it will play tonight maybe.

but a couple questions first. Why are you disbanding so many warriors? is it due to maintenance cost and lack of money to upgrade? If I can get a MA from Russia or Korea, how much is too much to pay for it?

 

[RowAndLive]

I had a crash problem last night, and had to go back & replay my turns. I forgot in the replay to do the republic trade and MA thing. Needless to say, it didn't work in the first set with anyone, or I would have remembered. Both Korea and Russia will give MAs with the Mongols, and I think Korea has been at war for a while.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I forgot in the replay to do the republic trade and MA thing. Needless to say, it didn't work in the first set with anyone, or I would have remembered.

So do I use your save? How does this affect me?

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

@ tubby - the most recent save is okay to use.

How does this affect me?

you're supposed to outgrow the self-centered thing once you've reproduced

 

[Tubby Rower]

@ tubby - the most recent save is okay to use. you're supposed to outgrow the self-centered thing once you've reproduced

VEry funny. I did outgrow it but my daughter is rubbing off on me

 

[Tubby Rower]

Pre-turn - Shimonoseki founded in 2 cow position
move sid 1 Sw
establish embassy with Russia almost done with the oracle but currently in anarchy so no progress
get peace with Mao for 120, Constr , & teintsin
get alliance vs. Mongols with Russia for us giving her Currency & we get all of her gold (123G)
trade Eng (her free tech) for Republic & 73g
t1 270BC -our people want the Forbidden palace
we get 2 palace expansions!!
mongols building ToA
settler sid founds Matsuyama

t2 250BC -
t3 230BC - gifted teinsin to Koreans due to barb uprising & no chance at defending it
barbs are coming to Tokyo!!


for the rest of the turns I was just trying to get through this jungle. I did see the Mongols attacking seoul so I switched a couple of builds to settlers expecting those korean cities to disappear We should send some swords up in the upper pennisula to take care of that barb camp.

Save from 150BC

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

Good work, Tubby.

I suggest we still focus more on building settlers. We are strong against everyone, so we can survive not building as many units (it will also cut down on support costs). The new towns will each give us more gpt, from both more commerce, and decrease in unit support (both from the loss of the settler unit, and another free unit supported for each new town).

We also need more workers. Maybe put some cities to work on settlers (the large cities, and ones not growing), and others on workers? We only have 5 workers, and 6 slaves (the same as 3 workers) for our 11 cities.

 

[RowAndLive]

get peace with Mao for 120, Constr , & teintsin

@TR, did you play this in PTW or C3C? I had the same issue, and something isn't right. Mao died & China disappeared, but stayed on the F4 screen. Now you got a city from them. Perhaps respawn is turned on?