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[Manfred Belheim]

Well it can't be referring to vaginal penetration, because that's more than just an abomination if you do it with a man, it's more of an impossibility.

 

[jackelgull]

That is what I meant. Homosexuals don't do vaginal penetration, so they don't violate the Bible in that regard.

 

[Goodfella]

That may be funny and all, but I'm doubtful there any people in the world who seriously interpret it that way.

 

[kramerfan86]

I don't think that's down to "dubious interpretaton".



Seems clearcut to me.

What isnt clear is why that rule is expected to still be followed but other dubious old testament rules such as mixing fabrics and eating the wrong thing are not or why the multitude of rules that allow women to be treated like dirt are considered wrong. There is a fair amount of cherry picking going on

 

[bhsup]

How many of those are called an abomination before the Lord, Kramer?

 

[Borachio]

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

So that's six, or seven. You know, I can't make my mind up.

Oh look: nothing about homosexuality there. That's very strange.

Which is the one that's an abomination but not hated?

 

[Old Hippy]

So that's six, or seven. You know, I can't make my mind up.
Oh look: nothing about homosexuality there. That's very strange.

Which is the one that's an abomination but not hated?

well God is a busy lady, so it falls upon her followers too fill in some of the detail.

 

[bhsup]

The wording of Kramer's comment made me think he was talking about the long list of laws found in the Pentateuch, not Proverbs. People love to make those comparisons, but never seem to be able to tell me how many of those are flat out called abominations like the prohibition against homosexual sex is.

 

[Old Hippy]

The wording of Kramer's comment made me think he was talking about the long list of laws found in the Pentateuch, not Proverbs. People love to make those comparisons, but never seem to be able to tell me how many of those are flat out called abominations like the prohibition against homosexual sex is.

well abominations are something that is hated, so along list of laws and a shorter list of the same laws which are hated

Spoiler :

http://www.ucg.org/bible-faq/what-abomination
The words abomination and abominations appear in the New King James Version of the Bible 152 times. When we examine the Greek and Hebrew words translated "abomination" in Scripture, we see that these words have very definite implications. Abomination is used exclusively to describe things that are disgusting, loathsome and absolutely intolerable—things that are unacceptable to God.

Christians would do well to take note of what God labels abominations. Such things, be they actions, attitudes or objects, have no place in the life of a follower of Jesus Christ. Some of the most notable abominations before God include:
• Dishonesty (Proverbs:12:22).
• Arrogant pride (Proverbs:16:5).
• Ignoring God's law (Proverbs:28:9).
• Devising evil and sowing discord (Proverbs:6:16-19

• Eating what the Bible calls "unclean" animals (Leviticus:11:8, 11, 13, 23).
• The act of homosexuality (Leviticus:18:22).

so homosexuality and eating a bacon sandwhich are seen as equall abominations, and apparently, according to God, the eating deserves more mention...

 

[kramerfan86]

So disobeying God's rules is ok so long as it isnt deemed an abomination then? And as pointed out eating the wrong food is considered an abomination anyways, so I am not sure what your point is.

 

[Old Hippy]

So disobeying God's rules is OK so long as it isn't deemed an abomination then? And as pointed out eating the wrong food is considered an abomination anyways, so I am not sure what your point is.

not my point but a church's point...
just pointing out that it seems OK to hate homosexuality, but to ignore Gods same hate for bacon sandwhiches... even when he spends more time on the matter of bacon sandwiches.

 

[kramerfan86]

not my point but a church's point...
just pointing out that it seems OK to hate homosexuality, but to ignore Gods same hate for bacon sandwhiches... even when he spends more time on the matter of bacon sandwiches.

Sorry, should have quoted bhsup so it was clearer I was talking to him since he seems to think rules can be ignored from his Lord so long as they arent abominations. Or if they are dietary, ignored even if they are abominations.

 

[bhsup]

Sorry, should have quoted bhsup so it was clearer I was talking to him since he seems to think rules can be ignored from his Lord so long as they arent abominations. Or if they are dietary, ignored even if they are abominations.

That is actually not my thinking at all. However, as you chose to simply jump to an (incorrect) assumption instead of asking for clarification, I really don't feel like I should waste time bothering to rectify your (incorrect) assumption. Be it about what I was trying to convey or about my views on biblical law and how they would apply to me.

 

[kramerfan86]

That is actually not my thinking at all. However, as you chose to simply jump to an (incorrect) assumption instead of asking for clarification, I really don't feel like I should waste time bothering to rectify your (incorrect) assumption. Be it about what I was trying to convey or about my views on biblical law and how they would apply to me.

Uh huh, completely unreasonable to infer you were trying to elevate homosexuality above those laws and if you werent trying to infer that its above those laws then there is no point to bring up the abomination factor in the first place. Plus your statement wasnt even factually correct anyways as was pointed out to you a few posts later by someone else.

 

[Agent327]

It should be pointed out that the Bible only condemns male homosexuality. Sort of like Victorian law. Interesting, by the way, how many people seem to know what is an abomination to God. It could, possibly, just be a reflection of what the authors thought was an abomination to God. That would explain a lot of the patriarchical and dietary commands. Just a possibility, of course. something to reflect upon, as it were.

 

[Borachio]

It could, possibly, just be a reflection of what the authors thought was an abomination to God.

Ah! No. Perish the thought!

How could that possibly be?

That would surely cast doubt on the whole "inspired word of God" meme, wouldn't it? We can't be having that, because that would mean the Bible's fallible.

 

[Yeekim]

as i said before, Breivik and he would have alot of common ground....

Because you just had to maintain that questioning world's most liberal immigration policy is practically same as murdering 70 kids?
What a fine, reasonable, open-minded chap you are!

EDIT: Listening to anti-immigration folks in Estonian domestic political discourse, they usually come off as bunch of ignorant racists and xenophobes.
Then I come to CFC and listen to people like you and useless and suddenly start seeing their point.

 

[gay_Aleks]

In other words, anyone who oppresses immigrants is insane, but so is anyone who supports them.

I guess, like anything else, not caring at all is the best opinion, it appears.

 

[Yeekim]

There should be reasonable middle ground somewhere, but what reasonable person is attracted to a debate like this?

 

[gay_Aleks]

The one who doesn't want his country to be ruled either by white xenophobes, or by a multicultural presence that has actually overturned the ordinary cultural presence. i.e a healthy balance.