Sweeslamistan

There should be reasonable middle ground somewhere, but what reasonable person is attracted to a debate like this?
I agree that Sweden may need a review of its immigration policy, but people saying black people are intellectually inferior as a race to white people need to be kept as far as possible away from immigration policies, full stop.
 
I agree entirely. Yes, some would say that by daring to questioning the immigration policy, I am putting myself on the same "side" as racist Islamophobic people who believe that blacks are dumber and that a tide of Islam will impose Sharia on Stockholm. But that assumes that the issue is purely binary, and that you're either with the pro-unrestricted-immigrationists or against them. Besides, Hitler Ate Sugar, but that doesn't mean we should reflexively avoid it.
 
Because you just had to maintain that questioning world's most liberal immigration policy is practically same as murdering 70 kids?
What a fine, reasonable, open-minded chap you are! :hatsoff:

EDIT: Listening to anti-immigration folks in Estonian domestic political discourse, they usually come off as bunch of ignorant racists and xenophobes.
Then I come to CFC and listen to people like you and useless and suddenly start seeing their point.

did you hear actually what he said? he thinks blacks are inferior to whites.. and he rages about islamisation which is a typical right-wing conspiracy, which has no chance in hell to happen.. the same political themes Breivik used
 
did you hear actually what he said? he thinks blacks are inferior to whites.. and he rages about islamisation which is a typical right-wing conspiracy, which has no chance in hell to happen.. the same political themes Breivik used

His opinions are definitely racist, and his paranoia about the islamization of Europe is unwarranted, but still to compare him with a mass murderer of kids is not appropriate. Not all racists are Hitler.
 
His opinions are definitely racist, and his paranoia about the islamization of Europe is unwarranted, but still to compare him with a mass murderer of kids is not appropriate.

I never compared him to Brevik, I only said that he has the same political views as Breivik. Alot of people of the far-right has these views, it doesnt mean they are mass murderers or even close to do something horrible as he did.
 
For about all my life people have been warning me the Netherlands would be Muslim soon. This started when Turks immigrated in the 70's.

Still not Muslim.

But then again, I haven't got the powerful argument of youtube at my disposal. How about we talk about the Youtubisation of CFC?
 
But then again, I haven't got the powerful argument of youtube at my disposal. How about we talk about the Youtubisation of CFC?

It was the next inevitable step after the wikisimilation.
 
For about all my life people have been warning me the Netherlands would be Muslim soon. This started when Turks immigrated in the 70's.

Still not Muslim.
We're still waiting on the Papists taking over Britain. Every day I sit by my door as my fathers and grandfathers did before me, waiting for the orders to come through, but nothing!

It's like the Jesuits have just lost interest in the whole scheme... :(
 
For about all my life people have been warning me the Netherlands would be Muslim soon. This started when Turks immigrated in the 70's.
Amusingly, that's when I first heard the horror claims of a new ice age. The 70s. Perhaps we should just write off that decade in its entirety. The 80s were better anyway.
 
For about all my life people have been warning me the Netherlands would be Muslim soon. This started when Turks immigrated in the 70's.

Still not Muslim.

But then again, I haven't got the powerful argument of youtube at my disposal. How about we talk about the Youtubisation of CFC?

It doesn't make it easy to talk about actual problems caused by poor immigration laws, when there are people out there spreading so much anti-immigration fear and paranoia. It sort of makes you want to dismiss valid complaints and issues, because on the surface they at first usually seem like a part of the paranoia that you're trying to avoid.

The fact is that Sweden has let in far too many people too quickly, without a clear plan on how to integrate them into society.. They've opened up the floodgates and now are facing a demographical problem.. At the same time they're finding it hard to even face this issue, because.. well, because as soon as you start trying to talk about the issue, a lot of people will just call you a racist and walk away.

I feel like they've opened up a pandora's box and are going to pay this for decades. They're not going to turn into a Muslim country at all, but they're just not equipped to deal with such changes. If they happened much slower, yeah, maybe, but like this? It's the worst way to do it. You need to be smart about letting me people into your country, especially if they're going to have such a hard time integrating.

The Swedes didn't have a plan and now it's starting to become clear that it's going to bite them in the butt. It might not be pleasant to talk about, but it's a real problem.
 
Amusingly, that's when I first heard the horror claims of a new ice age. The 70s. Perhaps we should just write off that decade in its entirety. The 80s were better anyway.
If we can keep the music and the movies of the 70's. We'll call it the pre-80's.
 
It doesn't make it easy to talk about actual problems caused by poor immigration laws, when there are people out there spreading so much anti-immigration fear and paranoia. It sort of makes you want to dismiss valid complaints and issues, because on the surface they at first usually seem like a part of the paranoia that you're trying to avoid.

The fact is that Sweden has let in far too many people too quickly, without a clear plan on how to integrate them into society.. They've opened up the floodgates and now are facing a demographical problem.. At the same time they're finding it hard to even face this issue, because.. well, because as soon as you start trying to talk about the issue, a lot of people will just call you a racist and walk away.

I feel like they've opened up a pandora's box and are going to pay this for decades. They're not going to turn into a Muslim country at all, but they're just not equipped to deal with such changes. If they happened much slower, yeah, maybe, but like this? It's the worst way to do it. You need to be smart about letting me people into your country, especially if they're going to have such a hard time integrating.

The Swedes didn't have a plan and now it's starting to become clear that it's going to bite them in the butt. It might not be pleasant to talk about, but it's a real problem.
Valid points all around.
 
We're still waiting on the Papists taking over Britain. Every day I sit by my door as my fathers and grandfathers did before me, waiting for the orders to come through, but nothing!

It's like the Jesuits have just lost interest in the whole scheme... :(

The Papists were thinking the same until that dreaded Church of England came in!
 
Didn't the Anglicans de facto manage to take over Britain for the Papists? Far as I believe, they're already Catholics. And Protestants.
 
Wut? The Church of England is Catholic? I think that would come as news to them.

There is an Anglo-Catholic sort of offshoot, and there's a well-trodden but relatively unusual path from Anglicanism to Catholicism (Tony Blair, for instance), though.

Yet, as far as I know, the Church of England was founded on the express intention of NOT being Catholic.
 
Weren't the Anglicans sorta-Catholics, sorta-Protestants? Or have I misjudged the religious situation in this part of Europe?

I guess it's much easier down here; you're either Orthodox, or you're a Muslim.
 
I wouldn't have described Anglicans as anything other than Protestants, myself.

They don't recognize the infallible authority of the Pope, nor transubstantiation, nor the cult of the Virgin, nor a celibate priesthood. Not as a rule.

Still, I know nothing for sure.
 
I guess I've read some of TFs posts wrong. Although, most of his opinion about them would be summed in "screw those tedious bastards".
 
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