SymNES II - Ash Like Snow
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. I'll try banding some in unions so it won't be too many...Fuschia
A Little Odd
Assuming that there are no other PC nations within our society, will we still be allowed mild control over the development of the society as a whole, or will we have to cause change simply through the actions of our state?
Symphony D.
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Retroactive deletion.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
I thought I had read all of it. Apparently not.
Anyways, another story...
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Ethnic Nationalism
The idea of ethnic nationalism had begun within Alarkien society centuries before its actual application with the highest commitment to Alark, that to Alarkien society as a whole. With the creation and spread of the Uebein'Alark, a collection of Alarkien religious views and philosophies, an occasional convert came with the wish to live within an Alarkien community.
This is where ethnic nationalism began to play a role within Alarkien society beyond cohesiveness. In the very beginning, all converts were denied the right to live within or near Alarkien communities. Disagreements between the Alark'tangatae led to a discussion that, ultimately, allowed these converts to Alark the right to live within their own community, separate but under the close supervision of another community's Alark'tangat.
This policy allowed converts to settle within Alarkien lands, but not within Alarkien communities. This, to, eventually fell apart, as many Alark'tangat allowed especially talented, devoted, or just plain likable members of different societies to settle within their communities. While technically not allowable by general law, a requirement of marriage to an Alarkien was nearly always set so as to prevent ethnic disagreements.
Allowing those of different societies to settle within their communities was of little benefit to these communities in and of itself. The Alark'tangat and other thinkers of the time, however, championed these converts as yielding to the superior nature of Alarkien culture and society. This led to an even greater ethnic nationalism than before, granted greater cohesiveness and ensured future disagreements with the surrounding societies, as most Alarkiens became very vocal about the superiority of their culture over those surrounding them.
Anyways, another story...
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Ethnic Nationalism
The idea of ethnic nationalism had begun within Alarkien society centuries before its actual application with the highest commitment to Alark, that to Alarkien society as a whole. With the creation and spread of the Uebein'Alark, a collection of Alarkien religious views and philosophies, an occasional convert came with the wish to live within an Alarkien community.
This is where ethnic nationalism began to play a role within Alarkien society beyond cohesiveness. In the very beginning, all converts were denied the right to live within or near Alarkien communities. Disagreements between the Alark'tangatae led to a discussion that, ultimately, allowed these converts to Alark the right to live within their own community, separate but under the close supervision of another community's Alark'tangat.
This policy allowed converts to settle within Alarkien lands, but not within Alarkien communities. This, to, eventually fell apart, as many Alark'tangat allowed especially talented, devoted, or just plain likable members of different societies to settle within their communities. While technically not allowable by general law, a requirement of marriage to an Alarkien was nearly always set so as to prevent ethnic disagreements.
Allowing those of different societies to settle within their communities was of little benefit to these communities in and of itself. The Alark'tangat and other thinkers of the time, however, championed these converts as yielding to the superior nature of Alarkien culture and society. This led to an even greater ethnic nationalism than before, granted greater cohesiveness and ensured future disagreements with the surrounding societies, as most Alarkiens became very vocal about the superiority of their culture over those surrounding them.
Daftpanzer
canonically ambiguous
This post is to confirm my continued presence in this game, my great appreciation of the update, and my understanding (I think!) of the current state of play. Looking forward to plotting my degenerate proto-states on the new map!
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
I approve. Anyone who's interested in taking control of one of the pathologically violent (but still pseudo-communal) Esketic tribes, PM me for more cultural and societal info.
Also, you get to ride horses. Tempting...
Also, you get to ride horses. Tempting...
No complaints from me. States are fine.
Symphony D.
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Retroactive deletion.
das
Regeneration In Process
Okay, here is the basic Pegi Rente state allocation.
The white border signifies the rough extent of the Cek-Yala rule, centered in the city of Cek-Yala (outlined in white). The regions and, more importantly, communities within the Cek-Yala "empire" can be divided into three groups: Cek-Yala and its surroundings (mainly the Boge river valley in the west) that have been assimilated into Cek-Yala and put under the direct control of the priest kings, the settlements subjugated by force of arms (along the northern coast and in the central areas, including the northern two-thirds of the Muduri river valley in the east) and left, for the sake of convenience under the governance of native-born rulers under Cek-Yala control and supervision, and the allied settlements at the periphery of the empire and in the northwestern Reganti area, which are effectively autonomous but acknowledge the supreme rule of the priest-kings, offer sacrifices to the Five Great Celestials, pay tribute and contribute warriors for campaigns.
The dark gray border signifies the Amu-Colka Confederacy, a loose union of eastern city-states and communities based in the city of Albuk (outlined in dark gray) on the Amu-Colka lake. The east had seen many short-lived confederacies rise in time of great peril and dissolve after said peril had retreated in the past; the present confederacy, though not as far-flung as some previous ones, is more stable and permanent. Still, the main reason for it's existence is the Shaituhu threat. Thanks to this threat it also has allies (possibly members) in the eastern Reganti areas.
The dark green border signifies the lesser empire/city-state of Cek-Salga, a former member of the Amu-Colka Confederacy. It is technically a confederacy itself, though its more peripheral regions are kept inside by central military force rather than by the consent of local community elites.
The Pegi Rente areas beyond everyone else's borders belong to strongly independent, fairly advanced but poorly organised highlander clans in the far west and the many small statelets based around small towns and villages in the east. The latter are sometimes allies of the Amu-Colka Confederacy, but are not its members at present.
Prior to adjustment as you see fit, especially in the Reganti territory.
The white border signifies the rough extent of the Cek-Yala rule, centered in the city of Cek-Yala (outlined in white). The regions and, more importantly, communities within the Cek-Yala "empire" can be divided into three groups: Cek-Yala and its surroundings (mainly the Boge river valley in the west) that have been assimilated into Cek-Yala and put under the direct control of the priest kings, the settlements subjugated by force of arms (along the northern coast and in the central areas, including the northern two-thirds of the Muduri river valley in the east) and left, for the sake of convenience under the governance of native-born rulers under Cek-Yala control and supervision, and the allied settlements at the periphery of the empire and in the northwestern Reganti area, which are effectively autonomous but acknowledge the supreme rule of the priest-kings, offer sacrifices to the Five Great Celestials, pay tribute and contribute warriors for campaigns.
The dark gray border signifies the Amu-Colka Confederacy, a loose union of eastern city-states and communities based in the city of Albuk (outlined in dark gray) on the Amu-Colka lake. The east had seen many short-lived confederacies rise in time of great peril and dissolve after said peril had retreated in the past; the present confederacy, though not as far-flung as some previous ones, is more stable and permanent. Still, the main reason for it's existence is the Shaituhu threat. Thanks to this threat it also has allies (possibly members) in the eastern Reganti areas.
The dark green border signifies the lesser empire/city-state of Cek-Salga, a former member of the Amu-Colka Confederacy. It is technically a confederacy itself, though its more peripheral regions are kept inside by central military force rather than by the consent of local community elites.
The Pegi Rente areas beyond everyone else's borders belong to strongly independent, fairly advanced but poorly organised highlander clans in the far west and the many small statelets based around small towns and villages in the east. The latter are sometimes allies of the Amu-Colka Confederacy, but are not its members at present.
Prior to adjustment as you see fit, especially in the Reganti territory.
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Symphony D.
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Retroactive deletion.
JosefStalinator
Я буду снова здесь
I'm on Firefox, and it's wholly transparent for me. I had to paste it onto paint just to know what you were talking about.
jalapeno_dude
AKA Panda Judo Eel
Firefox 2.0.0.14, and it's transparent for me.
EDIT: Also transparent on IE7.0.5730.13.
EDIT: Also transparent on IE7.0.5730.13.
Symphony D.
Deity
Retroactive deletion.
jalapeno_dude
AKA Panda Judo Eel
First things first: place names. The large eastern lake/inland sea is known as Lake Ningi, and the river is the Dhide River. The Shaituhu name for the central lake bordered by Pegi Rente, Samas, and Shaituhu is Lake Tuxa.
Okay, now for states.
The upstart of the group is the Zhedai Ascendancy, ruled by the eponymous city of Zhedai. Over the last hundred years it has managed to establish control over the entire Dhide river, making it the most populous, and richest, Shaituhu state. Only twenty years ago, having secured the border with the Samas barbarians, the most recent ruler-general began expanding north along Lake Tuxa, and succeeded in conquering most of its east coast, though holding it may be a different story.
The Zhedai Ascendancy's expansion has so far been held in check by the oldest of the post-Great Collapse states, Sisai. Sisai has held its current territory for the last 300 years under a stable power-sharing agreement between the four major cities in its territory. Constant battles with the Pegi Rente states have given Sisai an experienced army and advanced navy.
Most of the action in Sisai before the recent incursions by Zhedai was to be found away from Lake Tuxa in the east along the coast, which Sisai has steadily been developing through successive waves of immigration. A limit on its expansion at the moment is provided by the city of Dhauhai, a city-state that managed to survive the Great Collapse mostly unscathed. Dhauhai is still ruled by a aristocratic caste, rather than a family, and the entire city is organized according to the caste system. Most notably, Dhauhai is the sight of the still-standing ziggurat to the God Theksighi, overseer of Shaituhu society and the caste system. Dhauhai is also blessed by an outstanding natural defensive location, as well as being the main gateway between the western and eastern branches of Shaituhu civilization. Though it would be a rich prize, both economically and symbolically, for either of the larger states that border it, Dhauhai has thus far managed to stand strong.
Dhauhai's eastern neighbor is the Haitsu Principate, which after securing its place on the mainland has aggressively been incorporating Shaituhu settlements across Lake Ningi through a combination of economic and military pressure (enforced by Haitsu control of entry and exit from the lake). The Principate is currently expanding to the east, but would not hesitate to move in the opposite direction if it saw an opportunity.
Finally, along the south coast of Lake Ningi is the Dzixau Confederation, a relatively new entity created originally to resist incursions from the natives to the east and south, but which in recent years has found itself acting as a counterweight to Haitsu ambitions of further expansion.
What's in the rest of Shaituhu land? All along the coasts of Lake Ningi are small city-states and farming/fishing settlements, focused more on trade and repelling raids to worry about any larger organization. The center of Shaituhu lands, meanwhile, is a mix of small family/clan-based farming settlements and barren, unsettled land.
Okay, now for states.
The upstart of the group is the Zhedai Ascendancy, ruled by the eponymous city of Zhedai. Over the last hundred years it has managed to establish control over the entire Dhide river, making it the most populous, and richest, Shaituhu state. Only twenty years ago, having secured the border with the Samas barbarians, the most recent ruler-general began expanding north along Lake Tuxa, and succeeded in conquering most of its east coast, though holding it may be a different story.
The Zhedai Ascendancy's expansion has so far been held in check by the oldest of the post-Great Collapse states, Sisai. Sisai has held its current territory for the last 300 years under a stable power-sharing agreement between the four major cities in its territory. Constant battles with the Pegi Rente states have given Sisai an experienced army and advanced navy.
Most of the action in Sisai before the recent incursions by Zhedai was to be found away from Lake Tuxa in the east along the coast, which Sisai has steadily been developing through successive waves of immigration. A limit on its expansion at the moment is provided by the city of Dhauhai, a city-state that managed to survive the Great Collapse mostly unscathed. Dhauhai is still ruled by a aristocratic caste, rather than a family, and the entire city is organized according to the caste system. Most notably, Dhauhai is the sight of the still-standing ziggurat to the God Theksighi, overseer of Shaituhu society and the caste system. Dhauhai is also blessed by an outstanding natural defensive location, as well as being the main gateway between the western and eastern branches of Shaituhu civilization. Though it would be a rich prize, both economically and symbolically, for either of the larger states that border it, Dhauhai has thus far managed to stand strong.
Dhauhai's eastern neighbor is the Haitsu Principate, which after securing its place on the mainland has aggressively been incorporating Shaituhu settlements across Lake Ningi through a combination of economic and military pressure (enforced by Haitsu control of entry and exit from the lake). The Principate is currently expanding to the east, but would not hesitate to move in the opposite direction if it saw an opportunity.
Finally, along the south coast of Lake Ningi is the Dzixau Confederation, a relatively new entity created originally to resist incursions from the natives to the east and south, but which in recent years has found itself acting as a counterweight to Haitsu ambitions of further expansion.
What's in the rest of Shaituhu land? All along the coasts of Lake Ningi are small city-states and farming/fishing settlements, focused more on trade and repelling raids to worry about any larger organization. The center of Shaituhu lands, meanwhile, is a mix of small family/clan-based farming settlements and barren, unsettled land.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
The background seems black to me, if that changes your dismissal. Not that it detracts from anything.
Anyways, I'll have my national areas and the like up tomorrow or the next day. I have very little time tonight. I'm making pies. Apple pies.
Anyways, I'll have my national areas and the like up tomorrow or the next day. I have very little time tonight. I'm making pies. Apple pies.
Symphony D.
Deity
Retroactive deletion.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Symphony D.
Deity
Retroactive deletion.
I will get my states posted in the next couple of days.
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