cubsfan6506
Got u
I believe we should declare war on gong. Now just here me out. they have and embassy. So they could easily investigate our cities and sell the info the babe.
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zyxy
Warmongering Fool
It's a good point but I would not consider doing this until BABE actually lands.
AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
well, BABE has landed.
Can they investigate our cities? Do they KNOW our cities? What message do we send GONG?
This is what i posted in for SABER/FREE, but they are allies.
War has come to the world of Meet!! Perfidious BABE has landed military forces on the sacred lands of The Council, while a formal peace treaty is in place and without a formal declaration of war!! We will not tolerate this trespass on our lands and will declare on BABE and destroy their initial invasion force - we understand that you have a tech treaty with BABE, but you should know that BABE has proven themselves unreliable. We must ask what your intentions towards us are in this war with BABE.
Can they investigate our cities? Do they KNOW our cities? What message do we send GONG?
This is what i posted in for SABER/FREE, but they are allies.
War has come to the world of Meet!! Perfidious BABE has landed military forces on the sacred lands of The Council, while a formal peace treaty is in place and without a formal declaration of war!! We will not tolerate this trespass on our lands and will declare on BABE and destroy their initial invasion force - we understand that you have a tech treaty with BABE, but you should know that BABE has proven themselves unreliable. We must ask what your intentions towards us are in this war with BABE.
I don't think this is the time to try to play hard ball with GONG. Better stick to informing them of what has transpired, including that BABE cannot be trusted to uphold a treaty. Scrap the last sentence at least.
donsig
Low level intermediary
We need to take a friendly stance towards GONG. Last I knew they were weak to us so I doubt we have much to fear from them. We might want to ask if they're interested in taking the fight to BABE once astronomy is general knowledge.
What we need to do is get education from FREE so we can obsolete the Spybrary as far as GONG is concerned. Then we can negotiate a sale of astronomy that includes an alliance against BABE as part of the payment.
What we need to do is get education from FREE so we can obsolete the Spybrary as far as GONG is concerned. Then we can negotiate a sale of astronomy that includes an alliance against BABE as part of the payment.
AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
Perhaps we would be better off not taking to Gong for now??? I am sure that BABE told them that they are landing...
cubsfan6506
Got u
Nevermind..
zyxy
Warmongering Fool
I would delay this as long as possible, to slow their research. And if we sell Astro to GONG, I fear we will see Gallics on our shores as well.
donsig
Low level intermediary
GONG does not seem interested in armed conflict and once they see what we do to BABE they will think twice about coming to our island paradise. We'll have to see how the war plays out. If this does turn out to be a short war wherein we can still research at top speed then following your plan makes sense. By the time we get chemistry we'll have a better idea of how the war will progress.
You seem quite confident that we will solve this conflict easily...
I'd rather see what comes after those units we see there.
donsig
Low level intermediary
I doubt it will be as easy as other Council members do. But I am confident that by the time GONG got an invasion up and ready we'll have dealt BABE some serious blows. So I am still not worried about GONG being able to research astronomy a bit easier.
AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
I am reasonably sure that war with BABE will either be easy (because WHOMP is mailing it in) or hard (cause they have a lot of forces) - I do not believe that BABE can defeat us.
cubsfan6506
Got u
What's easy about whomp mailing it in.
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
Letter from GONG
Sent 5 days ago at the start of my vacation (sorry!)
So yeah – I agree with what's been said here.
We should stay friendly with GONG, even though it seem really unlikely they'll ever attack us… they have admitted they are going for a cultural victory after all. Warmongering would be highly counter-productive for them.
I think waiting to see what shakes loose in the next couple turns on the war front makes sense before we respond with anything.
I highly-highly doubt that GONG will agree to do anything militarily against BABE, for the same reason I find it highly doubtful they would attack us. BABE is an even harder target than we are, and I can't imagine astronomy changing their mind about that.
Sent 5 days ago at the start of my vacation (sorry!)
So yeah – I agree with what's been said here.
We should stay friendly with GONG, even though it seem really unlikely they'll ever attack us… they have admitted they are going for a cultural victory after all. Warmongering would be highly counter-productive for them.
I think waiting to see what shakes loose in the next couple turns on the war front makes sense before we respond with anything.
I highly-highly doubt that GONG will agree to do anything militarily against BABE, for the same reason I find it highly doubtful they would attack us. BABE is an even harder target than we are, and I can't imagine astronomy changing their mind about that.
AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
well, what i meant by that was that if WHOMP were just going through the motions, then he would likely just land consecutive stacks of MW, which is easier to deal with.
Someone was wondering where GONG was, exactly, in the tech tree. We now have an answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh1BpOE-ipI 
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
- well, that's better than them building Sistine, Right? for us anyway.... FREE will no doubt be upset. And off topic - man, I really think Civ2's wonder movies were the best.
So can we figure out if they researched Invention themselves? I'll be annoyed if they got it from the Great Library. 
They most likely researched it on their own. They must know that we weren't going to give it to them, and they also know they would get Theo+Edu at some point, so why research those? I also find it highly likely that they have started on GP now, so in a turn or two would be a good time to get Edu, since they likely won't switch to Astro then when they've already started something else.
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
That is, I think, the most likely scenario. Only other possibility is that BABE researched it, granting the tech to GONG. This seems less likely as BABE undoubtedly has tremendous support costs. Still, BABE may have done it in exchange for getting Theo/Edu from GONG once they get those for free. [and in any case, if this is true, it hardly matters if GONG got Invention from the GL or in direct trade from BABE]
However, GONG doesn't seem overly eager to do BABE any favors – but most importantly is the timing. GONG evidently timed their discovery of invention to very precisely match their build of Leos… suggesting that they were in control of their research pace.
I'd say this is good news. It further reduces BABE's trading options to ever catch back up in the game, provided we can win this war.
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