Term 3 - Senate

[Furiey]

Ok being vocal - Use the Lux slider - we need to get those specialists working - all we need is one scientist to keep up our minimum research, the rest should be out in the fields so to speak. tao's +2 proposal would set everyone working, +1 would leave specialists in the larger cities still, but would be better than what we have now. We do need to trade those dyes for incense once we connect them up.

 

[Bootstoots]

Apologies for forgetting the senate vote last time, by the time I looked it was a few hours too late. So, what would be the best course of action regarding the slider settings, in your opinions?

 

[ravensfire]

Ministry of Internal Affairs Cash Rush requests:

Mûre: Cash rush Temple for cultural pressure reasons. Cost: 228
Almaren: Cash rush Warrior in turn 3 for defense. Cost: 36

This post may be updated with further requests. However, as the President did rush several cultural improvements in MIA controlled cities last t/c, I will wait for the Governors to make their requests.

Thanks for your attention to this matter!
-- Ravensfire, Minister of Internal Affairs

 

[Bootstoots]

Here are the items for this senate vote:

Item 1: Option 1: The slider is to be set at 90% science, 0% lux. 10% lux is allowed if absolutely necessary to avoid riots.

Option 2: The slider is to be set at 10% science, or 0% if we have at least one scientist in a city. The luxury slider is to be set at 0% unless it is absolutely necessary to raise it to 10% to avoid riots.

Option 3 (intermediary option): The slider is to be set at 50% science, 0% lux (or 10% if absolutely necessary to avoid riots).


Item 2: 228 gold is allocated for the cash rush of a temple in Mure for cultural pressure reasons


Item 3: A warrior may be rushed in Almaren during turn 3, costing 36 gold.

This poll will be open until the start of the next turnchat.

 

[GenMarshall]

Item I: Option 2

Item II: Yes

Item III: No

 

[Furiey]

Please note for Item 1, Options 1,2 and 3:

Opt 1, 90% Science = Feudalism in 5 and -87gpt (10% lux) or -69gpt (0% lux) (yes that's negative)
Opt 2, 0% Science with a scientist = Feudalism in 6 and +108gpt (10% lux) or +128 gpt (0% lux)
Opt 3, 50% Science = Feudalism in 6 and -6gpt (10% lux) or + 15gpt (0% lux)

As a citizen I would be somewhat upset to see us running at a large negative gold per turn for the sake of one turn less to research Feudalism and Option 3 costs us gold and gains us nothing. Please vote for Option 2.

Once we complete Feudalism, that may be the time to up the research, but we're unlikely to be able to support 90% even then!

 

[tao]

I would like to request the funds necessary for implementing this settler flood.

 

[tao]

Item I: Option 1; I would push luxury up to 20% if that is necessary to prevent several entertainers/specialists.

Item II: No. Mure is IMHO not that important.

Item III: No. Another warrior will not help against the soon emerging knights. We may ship some of the soon obsolete swords to the island.

 

[TerminalMan90]

Item 1: Option 2 (Thanks for the heads-up Furiey)
Item 2: yes (Mmmmm, culture)
Item 3: no

 

[ravensfire]

You gotta be kidding me! We're gonna kill our cash position for the sake of getting Feudalism 1 turn earlier? One turn? To get a defensive unit, when we aren't at war?

One turn? And then, WE'LL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AT A NEGATIVE INCOME BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE WRITTEN!!!!!!!

Not the best approach in my opinion. Thanks TM, for taking what I consider to be a better way.

-- Ravensfire

 

[tao]

Since PMs were sent on the issue, let me clarify my vote on Item 1 (research). Anybody with even half a brain should be able to trade for feudalism before the turn ends. Thus it doesn't matter, how the slider is.

And since we do not know how much more techs if any the new world civs know, there is no meaningful decision on how to research afterwards.

 

[ravensfire]

I'm not convinced that any trades for Feudalism will be happening - see this poll. Right now, trading for Feudalism is pretty low.

Should we be making decisions that assume something unlikely will happen?

-- Ravensfire

 

[GenMarshall]

Originally posted by ravensfire
Absolute stupidity ... except for TM - thanks for the voice of reason in the dark sea of irresponsible actions.

Ok, Now I feel offended at that comment. After Furiey posted that last night, I decided to sleep on it before I finalize my vote (Since at the time I was getting ready to head to bed at my watch).

After reading the PM Raven sent me, I have decided to make a change to my vote. But now I feel offended after reading the above post with the statements Stupidity and Irresponsible

I will hearby Change my vote as listed in my older vote.

 

[tao]

IMHO we should be able to get everything on that list, maybe except monarchy.

 

[TerminalMan90]

@ CG,

I wouldn't let emotions or hurt feelings sway my vote. If you think Furiey and Ravensfire are correct in their assesment, your professional duty is to vote that way. If you feel slighted by Ravensfires comments, flame him, yell at him, publicly deride him if you like. But don't punish the rest of Fanatica just because you don't have thick enough skin to withstand a tounge lashing.

This IS an official thread of the fanatican government. You would do yourself credit if you were to act accordingly.

 

[ravensfire]

Originally posted by tao
IMHO we should be able to get everything on that list, maybe except monarchy.

I agree with you on that, but it doesn't matter if we can, it matters what we will get. Based on that poll - neither tech will be traded.

-- Ravensfire

 

[tao]

Originally posted by ravensfire
I agree with you on that, but it doesn't matter if we can, it matters what we will get. Based on that poll - neither tech will be traded.

Correct. Since that poll is only the first step (Persia) and 3 or 4 more steps wih the other civs will follow immediately. At least it would be the right thing to do ...............

 

[ravensfire]

Originally posted by CivGeneral


Ok, Now I feel offended at that comment. After Furiey posted that last night, I decided to sleep on it before I finalize my vote (Since at the time I was getting ready to head to bed at my watch).

After reading the PM Raven sent me, I have decided to make a change to my vote. But now I feel offended after reading the above post with the statements Stupidity and Irresponsible

I will hearby Change my vote as listed in my older vote.

CG, my apologies - issues at work had me in a foul mood. I'll edit the post to lower the flame from 5 to a 1 or so.

My concerns are still valid. I will say that this has provoked the type of debate that we need.

-- Ravensfire

 

[tao]

Since IMHO the most important goal for now should be growth and production, I advocate up to 30% lux tax, if needed by more than 1 city.

 

[TerminalMan90]

I agree with tao. The old 10% template may not be enough to keep some of our larger cities happy. More buffer space may be necessary.